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  • punkncat
    One foot less
    • Feb 2003
    • 5841

    #1

    This is sad but turning to AO for help....

    My daughter is 11 years old and is in 6th grade this year. This year was the transition to middle school , with different classes instead of a single class/same teacher.
    This year started off well with her grades but quickly she stopped trying to succeed or learn in school. Her whole attitude this year has been one of uncaring and disintrest. We have had numerous meetings with her teachers , put her in tutoring , gave her special help at school , with an adgenda book to help her keep track of her assignments. Also to help us know what she actually has for homework and to follow what goes on at school.
    Her grades at school are so low it is incredible. She turns in papers with nothing done on them with a smile. Makes less than 50% on open book reviews. Its not a problem that she doesn't understand or anything , it is a sheer lack of any type of effort.
    Top this off by the fact that she is lying about EVERYTHING. Not just things that she could be in trouble for or fantasys , everything! We catch her every time and explain to her why she shouldn't lie , but she continues to do it.
    She has social problems with the kids at school because she like to be in their buisiness so much. In fact she is this way with everyone. Always worrying about them and what they are doing rather than minding her own affairs or taking care of what she is to be doing.

    We have taken her to counselors , therapists , etc , had her tested for ADD , the works. They all say she is a perfectly normal child for her age.

    Her grades in school have led to restriction from most everything except breathing. She has lost TV, phone, and special privelages. We will not allow her to do anything extra or have treats. We have tried positive amd negative reinforcement. Several tactics described by her counselors and doctors.

    ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING WORKS!!!!!!!!
    It is so frustrating . We have tried everything. She has every opportunity of help that can possibly be available for her. We all have busted our balls trying to accomidate her and help her get motivated.

    This all has led to her failing 6th grade and she couldn't care less. She doesn't care that she has no privelege. That all of her toys are taken away....none of it has made any effect at all.

    What can I do to turn this around? What do you as parents do , or as kids what do your parents do to get you motivated to face your responsibilities?
    I am stumped and at the end of my parental rope. Moments away from calling Dr. Phil.
    I know its sad that I am asking on a paintball forum about this , but honestly the professionals can't even help , so I have nothing to loose.
  • MagMan5446
    .....
    • Jun 2001
    • 2572

    #2
    Damn man thats a fix. Only in 6th grade too...

    At least you can cross out drugs at this point in her life...

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    • LittlePaintballBoy

      #3
      Some kids in my class (6th grade) are like that, but the thing is they just don't care. I was sort of doing the same thing for a little bit until we tried a psychaitrist (sp?) and she diagnosed me with Depression/anxiety and ADD. Now i'm on my new ADD meds and everything is great. That's what worked for me, but you said you had her checked out for ADD and the like already, so I honestly have no idea. Hope you get it resolved.

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      • Albinonewt
        Team Icky Forest
        • Apr 2003
        • 2456

        #4
        I had a problem not TOO dissimiliar from that when i was fairly young. I ended up being disagnosed with something called Chronic Fatgiue Syndrome. At the time it was a pretty controversial and debated about diasnosis. Some doctors didn't believe in it, others were adamant believers. Its been 15 years so I don't know where research is on this. I mostly fixed my problem though diet and some medication.

        Look into that, it may be what helps.
        Or better yet, why don't you kill yourself. No, really, die. Drop dead, don't leave a note, in fact burn your house while your little ego is stuck in a bench vice so that you'll also incenerate yourslef and everything you own with it. Because that's all you're worth. You're not even wirh thte time it'll take for the house to burn down, so just kill yourself. You're a waste of space. You are nothing, you always will be nothing. Don't leave a note, you're not worth the ink. - Tyger

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        • 1stdeadeye
          Still around????
          • Jun 2002
          • 8501

          #5
          Check with your child's school to see if they have a Child's Study Team. NJ does and it works great.

          It is a team of councilers, educators, etc.. who look at the whole problem, not just the symptoms. It could be that she doesn't feel challanged at all by the work so she doesn't bother to do it.

          Good luck!!!

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          • UltimatePaintballer
            AO's Spell Checker
            • Jun 2003
            • 2548

            #6
            wow , littlepaintball boy is in 6th grade?!?!

            well, just say if you get your grades up then i will buy you this or this or w/e

            just set goals for every quarter, thats what happened to me

            like 1st quarter: w/e equals 15 dollars or something or nothing if it wasn't

            second quarter if both her reports were good: something that costs $20, or just $15 if this one was good

            third quarter if all three were good: something that costs $25, $20 if the is and the second quarter were good, $15 if just this one was good

            fourth quarter if all were good: something that costs $40 or so, 25 if last three were good, $20 if last two were good, $15 this was good

            i think it would work, either that or wait till she realizes that you need good grades to really succeed in this world and have a wonderful life
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            • CodeMA
              ...yep...
              • Jun 2003
              • 1455

              #7
              Ummm, have you tried a belt? Mabey a paddle switch or the ole hand?

              All great things really, I as a uncaring putting little effort twords high school student, yet Ive found that getting it done and over works great...and Im a friggin genious and genrally its just more healthy and rewarding to atleast do it, so the sub par effort I give still gets me A/B Honor roll and NHS, and all that costly, "FUN" stuff, Ive never had to be forced to do so, or frankly or I wouldnt do it, I have issues with athority I guess, and to be stright forward, its my way or no way, I could careless about threats or actions... perhaps she does too? Oh and I do occationaly have issues minding my own buesness too I guess, more so to play with peoples minds and emotions in nondamageing/noticeable ways for the most part...Its a challenge

              If the good ole corpiral punishment stuff doesnt work, and the "Timeout" and Restriction... try lumping it all back and then some, give it all back, start from scratch... Mabey Public school isnt for her, homeschooling, online schooling, possibly privite school even, if theres something shes paticullarly intrested in... Id suggest something self pased, not so structured...

              Socal things, well, I find my unhealthy ammount of time online to be great, combined with massive ammounts of paintball related activities outdoors to be all the human interaction I need... So basicly get her going to something regularly to do something she enjoys, and interact on a postive level with others a few possible reccomendations: Paintball, Martial Arts, Horseback Rideing, Scouts, heck mabey even Church related things...

              Also, dont sheild her from the world, dont keep things from her, or lie about them, this day and age it will get back to her in school, she will get it reguardless, or part of or a fictisious "it"

              These are just some of the things that seem to help with me, everyone is wired diffrently, and reacts to diffrent things however, but it sounds like it couldnt hurt to try at this point
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              • sharpshooter1286
                Registered User
                • Feb 2003
                • 1114

                #8
                maybe reverse psychology? also, how do you treat her? like yelling, or being gentle. this sounds like an extreme version of wanting attention.

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                • Paintball_4_Fun
                  Marker still on Backorder
                  • Feb 2004
                  • 159

                  #9
                  How about a reward system. "If you do good this week we wil do somthing?"

                  Or a Real harsh punishment system. It just depends how far you want to go.

                  When I finally snap you will be the first to go.
                  Remember Kids: 2nd place is 1st place for losers. :eek:

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                  • UltimatePaintballer
                    AO's Spell Checker
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 2548

                    #10
                    Originally posted by CodeMA
                    Ummm, have you tried a belt? Mabey a paddle switch or the ole hand?
                    CAN I DO IT?!?! oh um...do you guys have a sylvan learning center in your state, i hear they work.
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                    • 71 LS6
                      Nick Tahou's guru
                      • May 2002
                      • 230

                      #11
                      I am not trying to preach or anything, but sometimes if all of the above has not worked, it may be because she doesnt understand the reason for it. Schools these days teach that there are no absolute morals, or rights and wrongs, and that there is no higher authority. As a result, kids think "what's the point? Why do good? Why try?" I don't know where your faith lies, but I would recommend speaking with a church, see if that can get her motivated and on the right path.

                      Just my $0.02, not intended to offend anyone.
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                      • MrWallen
                        TunaMax#4
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 536

                        #12
                        Not saying this applies to your daughter, but for me it does. Every time my parents took something away from me, or made me grounded, or restricted or whatever I would just dig my heels in deeper and do worse and worse. Eventually when they gave everything back my grades started coming back up.

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                        • Target Practice
                          irc.zirc.org:6667 = chat!
                          • Nov 2003
                          • 3180

                          #13
                          I was kinda like that, but it was a phase. I just grew out of it. AO really needs a resident child psychologist/psychiatrist.


                          "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." --Henry Louis Mencken.

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                          • punkncat
                            One foot less
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 5841

                            #14
                            Originally posted by 71 LS6
                            I am not trying to preach or anything, but sometimes if all of the above has not worked, it may be because she doesnt understand the reason for it. Schools these days teach that there are no absolute morals, or rights and wrongs, and that there is no higher authority. As a result, kids think "what's the point? Why do good? Why try?" I don't know where your faith lies, but I would recommend speaking with a church, see if that can get her motivated and on the right path.

                            Just my $0.02, not intended to offend anyone.

                            Actually that is about the best advice so far. We have tried all of the above plus some.
                            We are not religious as a family , and maybe some spiritual guidance would help. I will keep this suggestion in mind.

                            Once again , I want to state we HAVE tried everything else. We have been to doctor , had meeting , workgroups , tutoring , reward system , punishment system , wipe slate clean start over , talk about it , leave her alone , the list goes on to every imaginable corner of the mind. Ours and "professionals".

                            The problem isn't a matter of too much challenge or a lack of. It is a problem of motivation. It is a problem of priority. She feels that what she wants to do take precedence over what she is required to do by law. This falls true with every aspect of responsibility within her life. She simply cares about nothing more than what she WANTS to do. And hasn't got enough reason to understand that she can't do what she wants w/o doing what is required of her.

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                            • dwab3000
                              im not wearing any pants
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 1072

                              #15
                              well, my roomate has a 14 yr old boy...

                              i end up w/ him 75% of the time (im his unckle jimbo )


                              he was sorta like this, but there was a school around called the Integrated Day Charter School, it was pretty nice...

                              w/ that school, he wasnt happy, he wasnt doing his work, even after he was gald to be outta where he got suspended 12 times (yeah, i give really bad advice, but again im me)...

                              so to get him up, or down, i did this (since he had an allowence) every time i got a bad report, i took away half and didnt leave him much (cause when he doesnt like what i cook, he orders himslef pizza, and he hates what i cook)....when he did well, id add half of what he got to the pile...

                              we did this every friday, i talked w/ his teacher on the phone...

                              also i got my roomys son tested for g&t (giftedand talented) in groton (even though it was a pain to get setup)...i found that he didnt want to redo and practice what he already knew, so maybe a place like sylvian will help (so she can sorta feel challenged)

                              thats just my parenting
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