Low carb rant page

[StuDawggie]

Okay, maybe I missed the bus on this one, but when I stopped to pick up bagels on way to work for the rest of the crew I thought I was seeing things. The bagel shop I went to had "low carb bagels". When I saw this I had 3 words go through my head WTF!!!!!!!!!!! Okay, I can see people being carb concious, but how do you make a low carb bagel. It's all bread!!!!!!!!! If anyone can explain how this works I would like to know. Sure Atkins has made his point and his followers have ruined a few of my favorite restraunts by making them put low carb options on their menus, but I'm goning to start swinging if they ruin bagels.
Okay now that I've ranted my little bit here, who else seen things go low carb that shouldn't be low carb. And feel free to rant on anything low carb.

[Bluestrike_2]

answer to your question: http://diveintomark.org/archives/2003/12/22/bagels
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People are desperate to lose weight and these high protein diet books preach what people want to hear: you can eat lots of cholesterol and saturated fat and still lose weight. This romance can lead to tragic consequences, with some people literally dying to lose weight.

hehe

http://www.vitaminstohealth.com/atkins-diet-danger.html

http://www.drfuhrman.com/AtkinsRev.html

http://www.mult-sclerosis.org/news/J...tkinsDiet.html
http://www.bupa.co.uk/health_informa...00503diet.html
http://www.mightyvitamins.com/articles/atkins.htm

Plus, a Google search.....

"I see dead people....." [On Atkins]

That dumb, stupid diet!

Designed for lazy fat-asses who are milking our health care system. GRRRR!!!!One word...... EXERCISE. Yet, why should someone sweat in an effort to loose weight when theres this diet that can help you... Of course it can kill you too, but thats irrelevent.

I mean, for god's sake, doesn't it sound sooooo good. You loose weight while eating fats.

On a high protein diet, when we restrict carbohydrates so markedly, the body thinks we are caloric deprived and ketosis results. The body begins to lose fat, even if we are consuming plenty of high-fat foods, as Atkins recommends. Once you stop the diet, you'll gain it all back and more; if you stay on the diet, you risk a premature death. Take your pick. Once you start consuming carbohydrate-containing fruits, vegetables or beans, the ketosis ends and the meat and fat become fattening again. Meat consumption leads to weight gain, unless you have caused a carbohydrate-deficiency ketosis.

Sounds great, doesn't it.....

It's so popular, even athletes on school teams are using it. Talk about stupid! We carb-load before races for a reason, so that we have the energy to compete and not EAT AWAY AT OUR MUSCLES!!!

[Bluestrike_2]

Fatkins Diet! You have to watch.

http://www.mbychosting.com/illwillpress/fatkins.swf

[FooTemps]

Fatkins Diet! You have to watch.

http://www.mbychosting.com/illwillpress/fatkins.swf

LOL, that's hilarious!

"I want my waffle sundae, gimme my carbs!"

[Chojin Man]

Ya this Atkins diet is rediculious. As some one else mentioned its just people looking for an easy way out. Instead of trying to go to the gym and excersise every once in a while.

[sharpshooter1286]

thank god i have a fast metabolism...i weigh like 205 and have 12% body fat too. thank you god.

[djslik]

Yea...most people bounce back to their original weight after dieting...i think if people want to lose weight they can't just look at a diet, they have to change their whole lifestyle, especially the food. What I hate is how McDonalds is trying to be healthy. If you were really trying to lose weight you would not be eating at McDonalds in the first place.

[Butterfingers]

It works.

Ive tried it.

I can go into the biochemistry if you like....

Alot of people are curious about how Atkins works and I figured I would make a brief summary of the certain biochemical reactions that are involved in the effectiveness of the Atkins diet or any low carb diet for that matter. Mind you many of these biochemical rections have recently been uncovered so it will go against traditional methods of thinking...

There are many enzymes involved in the synthysis of fatty acids that are stored in your body as "ugly fat" I will not go through every biochemical reaction because that would take all day and hundreds of boring pages.

The enzyme that Low Carb Diets seem to target is called Acytyl-CoA carboxylase. This enzyme is responsible for converting Acytyl-CoA into Malonyl-CoA. Malonyl-CoA is the molecule NECESSARY for the production of fatty acids.

Now think of Acytyl-CoA as the one big crossroad for all your body's metobolic reactions from this point given differing conditions almost anything can be syntysized from this molecule. The purpose of low carb diets is to shunt Acytyl-CoA AWAY from fatty acid synthysis and INTO other metobolic pathways.

I will try to explain the chemical reactions given a set of 2 scenarios:

Scenario 1: Low Carb High Fat Diet...

When your body is in a low carb state a substance called glucogon is secreted from your pancreas. When you consume many fatty acids in your diet it's digestion produces what is called Fatty-ACYL-CoA. These two INHIBIT the production and activation of Acytyl-CoA carboxylase... this means less Malonyl-CoA is produced and thus excess FAT PRODUCTION IS LESS LIKELY.

EDIT: Chanced no to Less.

Long term exposure to this diet will eventually make the body produce LESS Acytyl-CoA carboxylase and thus gentically speaking you will be less apt to store fat.

Scenario 2: High Carb Low Fat Diet...

When your body is in a high carb state a substance called insulin is secreted from your pancreas. Also when no fat is consumed there is a decreased level of Fatty-ACYL-CoA. This means Acytyl-CoA carboxylase is HIGHLY ACTIVE it will turn the Acytyl-CoA into Malonyl-CoA and into fat at a rapid rate.

Additonaly long term exposure to this diet will cause you body to produce MORE Acytyl-CoA carboxylase and thus it will accelerate fat production.

So essentally a Low Fat High Carb Diet is biochemically speaking the BEST WAY TO GAIN WEIGHT and the only way to loose weight using one of these diets is to inhibit food intake to a level that constitutes moderate starvation...

Food for thought...

Also if you want to know how excersise plays a role in weight loss it also targets the same enzyme... Prolonged periods of excersise not only burns calories and keeps you in shape it also results in the production of AMP-dependant protien kinase (AMPK) which INHIBITS Acytyl-CoA carboxylase which of course means less fat is produced...


There you go scientific proof...

[Butterfingers]

Summary...

Basicly what you are doing in a low carb regimint is inhibiting the enzyme needed to make and store fat. Without this enzyme fat is not stored.

The diet also inhibits the enzyme that produces cholesterol. A low carb diet inhibits the production of cholesterol in the body.

Science is great... the things you learn as a health professional.

Yes... it works and I know exactly WHY it works.

Also the conversion of protein into energy also requires massive amounts of energy. You body actually works more to convert protien into energy than it does to convert carbs into energy.

Protien also loses 1.6 cal/g due to nitrogen loss. The nitrogen in protiens are not processed for energy. They get excreted.


Most people knock the diet cause it goes against all common sense. Once you understand the biochemistry behind it its friggin ingenious. Its basicly targeting the enzyme that allows fat storage.

[slateman]

Nice post Butterfingers. But you still can't prove to me that eating 5lbs of bacon a day is gonna be healthy for you. You may lose weight but you'll die from a heart attack at 36.

[-=Squid=-]

God, I hate this low carb crap. I refuse to believe a freaking bacon, ranch, and chicken wrap is even remotely good for you.

We have this teacher who thinks shes on a "diet" (low carb) beacuse she eats a ton of strawberries throughout the day instead of candy bars. IE, 1 strawberry instead of one candy bar, meaning about 1000 strawberries.

[Butterfingers]

Nice post Butterfingers. But you still can't prove to me that eating 5lbs of bacon a day is gonna be healthy for you. You may lose weight but you'll die from a heart attack at 36.

Yeah it works as long as your not silly about it. If you follow it to a tee like Atkins reccomends its not bad. He never intended for people to eat 5 lbs of bacon.

Its like saying you are going on a low fat diet and eating 10 lbs of sugar.

People are stupid for misinterpreting this stuff.

[Rooster]

There are four main ingredients in all food: water, fats, carbs, abd protiens. To take one out imbalences the food and it must be replaced with something else. Decrease the carbs, increase the fat. Decrease the fat, increase the carbs.

Atkins diet works fast, but it doesn't last. It doesn't last becuase eventually the body will adapt to the diet, just like its adapted to a high carb diet over the years.

The only answer is input less, or output more.

[lopxtc]

Well I used the low-carb diet last year .... started in June of 03, I would work out 2-3 times a week in addition to playing paintball 2-3 time a month. My typical workout would consist of the eliptical machine for 45 mins, and a short circuit of weights ... usually low weight with high reps.

My meals consisted of the following;

Breakfast --
low-carb hot cereal
or
2-3 slices of bacon and two eggs with a low-carb tortilla

Lunch -- (Shoot pool every day at lunch and at the same thing.)
Grilled Chicken salad with blu cheese dressing.
or
Salad bar from local grocery store and some tuna.

Snack --
Low carb treat of some kind, or small amount of low in carb nuts or fruit.

Dinner --
Usually fish or chicken and sometimes pork chops. Maybe 1-2 days out of the week I would have red meat instead of fish or chicken.
Steam or grilled veggie of some kind.
low carb bread and some butter

Drinks --
No soda, water or crystal light only.

Vitamin --
Daily multi-vitamin.

In total I was taking in about 11-1500 calories a day depending on the combination of things I ate .. not counting the reduction for working out that day if I did.

From June to December I had gone from 225 to 169. I stopped following the diet religously around Jan of 2004. Since then my body has gained a little back and I am currently 175, but I blame that mostly on going nuts in Canada for 3 months on beer and poutine ....

However, I still substitute out sugar free items anywhere I can ... sugar free bread for regular bread, sugar free candy over regular candy, etc etc ...

All the important health levels in my body are all fine with nothing being high as of my last physical.

The diet does work, the problem is that too many people do see it as a binge diet and go nuts on the fatty foods. I personally opted to still study label and found a better way to balance the diet within my lifestyle.

Aaron

[ShooterJM]

The diet also inhibits the enzyme that produces cholesterol. A low carb diet inhibits the production of cholesterol in the body.

The problem is most people (that I know anyway) on the diet ingest so much cholesterol it skyrockets their cholesterol.