Low carb rant page

[BeaverEater]

The only reason the diet works is cause fat and protien make you feel full. If your on the diet for more than a couple months you can cause kidney damage that gets severe after only a few years.

[Butterfingers]

The problem is most people (that I know anyway) on the diet ingest so much cholesterol it skyrockets their cholesterol.

True... People are stupid about diets.

Likewise when the low fat craze started people went crazy and started drinking 12 packs of soda and they wondered why they gained 200 lbs.

Now we have a country full of fatarses because they thought that oh its low fat it must be good and end up sucking down 10 lbs of sugar.

The diet works you just have to follow all of it not some of it.

There are also transport mechanisms in the intestines that influence the absorbtion of cholesterol. Low carb diets also influence the absorbtion of cholesterol. You end up pooping alot of the cholesterol out. Only if you follow a STRICT regiment.

These lipid transport transmembrane enzymes act as gateways if the door aint open cholesterol isnt going in.

[Bluestrike_2]

hmmmm.

When you're excericising on this diet, and many other fad diets, your body will usually break down your muscles if it doesn't have enough carbs. That's why a lot of athletes carb-load the week or so before an important race, game, or event.

I'm sorry but the Atkins diet is now a cash cow. If it ever worked, great! Now that everyone's using it, people are coming out tons of "low carb" foods, many of which are very unhealthy. I mean, for god's sake, low carb pasta! That's an oxymoron if there ever was one.

Lopxtc:

I think that, because you are active, your body burns off any fat that keeps coming back on. You are one in a few that actually do excercise and keep the pounds off. Many think it's some miracle diet that makes the pounds go away for ever.

Think of Atkins as a last resort. Your goal should be to eat healthy and PREVENT obesity.

Another thing, there are people who are LIKE paper on this diet. They're skinny but they go on this diet. All because of some illusion of beauty. Ugh.

I'm talking about kids in 7th and 8th grade, along with high schoolers, on this diet. Stupid! Stupid! Stupid! These kids do this because someone jokes "your fat." Honestly, some of these younger girls are about as stupid as a human being can get.

[Butterfingers]

hmmmm.

When you're excericising on this diet, and many other fad diets, your body will usually break down your muscles if it doesn't have enough carbs. That's why a lot of athletes carb-load the week or so before an important race, game, or event.

I'm sorry but the Atkins diet is now a cash cow. If it ever worked, great! Now that everyone's using it, people are coming out tons of "low carb" foods, many of which are very unhealthy. I mean, for god's sake, low carb pasta! That's an oxymoron if there ever was one.

Lopxtc:

I think that, because you are active, your body burns off any fat that keeps coming back on. You are one in a few that actually do excercise and keep the pounds off. Many think it's some miracle diet that makes the pounds go away for ever.

Think of Atkins as a last resort. Your goal should be to eat healthy and PREVENT obesity.

Another thing, there are people who are LIKE paper on this diet. They're skinny but they go on this diet. All because of some illusion of beauty. Ugh.

I'm talking about kids in 7th and 8th grade, along with high schoolers, on this diet. Stupid! Stupid! Stupid! These kids do this because someone jokes "your fat." Honestly, some of these younger girls are about as stupid as a human being can get.

Thats not entirely true the reason why athletes load up on carbs before game day is to get thier liver and muscle glycogen reserves up. Glycogen can be converted into energy MUCH faster than fat can.

There is no sufficent evidence that shows that low carb diets waste muscle protien.

Your observation is correct athletes do carb load but your assumption is questionable.

You body only catabolizes protien if your intake of food is too low and it has no choice but to waste muscle. As long as you keep a positive nitrogen balance you should be fine.

[Mango]

Everything butter said is correct. And yes Atkins is a horrible "diet" to follow for an athlete. The adult liver can store about 100 grams of glycogen, about 200 grams are stored in the muscles. Excess glucose is then stored as glycogen which is then usually converted into fat and stored in adipose tissue. That is the point of fat, to supply a very dense energy source. Most cells in the body obtain the energy by oxidizing fatty acids using some of the enzymes Butters mentioned.


I would like to see what documentation you have Butters that states that fat production is not possible and that Malonyl-CoA production is stopped by the low Carb/high fat diet. I am just curious for myself. I would think so long as the pancriatic lipases are present this cannot be STOPPED. Slowed down maybe.

[Butterfingers]

Everything butter said is correct. And yes Atkins is a horrible "diet" to follow for an athlete. The adult liver can store about 100 grams of glycogen, about 200 grams are stored in the muscles. Excess glucose is then stored as glycogen which is then usually converted into fat and stored in adipose tissue. That is the point of fat, to supply a very dense energy source. Most cells in the body obtain the energy by oxidizing fatty acids using some of the enzymes Butters mentioned.


I would like to see what documentation you have Butters that states that fat production is not possible and that Malonyl-CoA production is stopped by the low Carb/high fat diet. I am just curious for myself. I would think so long as the pancriatic lipases are present this cannot be STOPPED. Slowed down maybe.

Its not stopped it is significantly reduced if Malonyl-Coa is stopped you would die.

The point that I was trying to make is that if you have no malonyl-coa there is no fat production. I dont think I said it was ever stopped. If I did say that it was out of haste and I will correct it.

I wrote that post a while ago on some health forum I forgot which.


EDIT The line should read... reduced not stopped above...

[Trigger_Happy]

It is my uneducated opinion that people simply get so sick of meat, meat, meat that they eat less calories altogether. When people have to grill a steak instead of grabbing chips they end up simply eating nothing and lose weight as a result. Perhaps I'm wrong, but it makes sense to me. And yes, I have friends who've lost 40+ pounds on a version of the Atkins.

[Chojin Man]

One thing that I forgot to mention is that this Atkins diet is good for diabetics. My mom is a diabetic and her diet is very similar to the Atkins diet. Shes lost weight since she started it, and feels much better. Basicly no sugar and low carb stuff.

[RT pRo AuToMaG]

The Atkins diet is great assuming that it is used properly. You cannot go and eat all red meat and a pack of bacon. If any of you against it would actually read the book, you would understand. When followed correctly, one can eat nuts, fish, pork, some fruits, vegetables, carb free candies, etc., but nothing in great excess. The diet was originally created for overweight people in need of surgery, but couldn't get it because they were so fat. They put them on the diet to lose enough weight to be operated on. When I was on the diet, I stayed on for a month, lost 23 lbs, and then got off, and I haven't gained that much back yet (only like 3 lbs) and I've been off for about a month.

[Lohman446]

[QUOTE=Bluestrike_2]

That dumb, stupid diet!

Designed for lazy fat-asses who are milking our health care system. GRRRR!!!!One word...... EXERCISE. Yet, why should someone sweat in an effort to loose weight when theres this diet that can help you... Of course it can kill you too, but thats irrelevent.
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Funny, if followed CORRECTLY Atkins requires exercise, its a major point in the books. And your comparing your diet for events which involve marathon style running and long energy reserves to a diet for what most people do. When you practice an extreme such as long distance running - isn't comparing what you do to prepare for it to the rest of the world a touch on the... well obviously wrong side?

BTW... for those who would reduce carbs and not down to the level of Atkins. A key to the diet is getting down to the level that your body changes how it reacts (see above) - a simple reduction of a few carbs is not going to do it, so if your not following it correctly (and you do up your carbs later in it thats why you can come off it to some degree and not gain weight quickly) that means a near avoidance of carbs all together in the beginning. Done it, it works, and did it while weight training, I had no issue building muscle.

[Strider]

I wont offer anymore proofs or herasy, but I use the Atkins method, and after loosing 40 lbs, I've gained back a mere 5 lbs. I've returned to a dietary point where most people can't tell I'm on the plan. (IE - Ice Cream = GOD )

As was pointed out, actually read the book, and follow it. All the answers is there.

5lbs of bacon. ROTFLLMAO :o

[Cryer]

Arby's now has "carbless Big montanas"...

Basically, a pile of roast beef on a plate.

[Bulldog]

I think it's a fad. It'll peak this year then die out. Though some really believe in it. Different strokes I guess. Balance is the key.

[Bluestrike_2]

Lohman,

If followed correctly. Yet, in all honesty, how many TRULY follow it properly.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3999990/

Article about Low-Carb being instituted by food giants.

The diet had meaning. Now, slap on a low-carb sticker, make a smaller SERVING size(this is where you can trick someone. Make a 1 serving candy bar 2 etc.), and jack up the price. There you go!

"They tried it with sugar-free, low-cholesterol, low-fat and now it's low carbs. I'm sure the early interest in this is people trying new things. The question is, in four or five years where is this going to be?"

It's a fad, and it's being milked by greed. Sure, it CAN work, but it won't so long as corporate greed can be involved. It' a multi-billion dollar industry my friends. Wouldn't you try to cash in on it? Lawyers and marketers can skew just about anything.

Quote from my earlier BUPA link:

Think carefully before embarking on a high protein, low carbohydrate diet.
Nutritionists recommend a diet including a good balance of complex carbohydrates, fibre, fruit, vegetables and protein.

If you want to lose weight and maintain it, make positive changes to your lifestyle and activity levels, as well as eating sensibly.

What does this mean to me?

"My general feeling about the Atkins diet is that, like anything that severely restricts your calories, you'll lose weight. In the short term, if you want to do it for two weeks and lose weight, it probably won't do you any harm," said Dr. Paula Franklin, from BUPA Lighten Up.


However, she warned, "What you need to do in order to be healthy in the long term is to ensure your body has all the nutrients it needs. So, a long-term diet that doesn't include many fruit and vegetables (ie the Atkins) wouldn't be good."


"If you want to be a healthy weight in the long term, the best approach is really lifestyle change," said Dr. Paula Franklin. Fad diets lure people with a quick fix cure, but, says Dr Franklin, "there's no magic with weight loss, and unless you change both what you eat and what you do, you'll put weight back on again."

I said this once, and I will say it again. Excercise. Prevent obesity, that way you do not have to take the health risks associated with these fad diets. I mean, honestly, low-carb bagels and pasta. For god's sake, cardboard doesn't have any carbs. We might as well eat it.

A food guide pyramid from this article:
See, excercise IS the most important
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?art...33809EC588EEDF It's about six pages long.

If you must, go on it for a few weeks, maybe a month or two. Just not longer. As my links state, and so will a google search, it's dangerous long term. I believe Dr. Atkins states that it should be permanent(in his book).

Another thing, how can one not do something if they are gaining a hundred pounds, sometimes more. Unless it's genetic, one has a very good chance of being able to stop, change, and reverse it.