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  • lord1234
    College Boy Spydarm
    • Apr 2003
    • 1558

    #31
    fetus is a person...but what about a cell? thats dividing? is that a person? babies are not considered fetal till 2nd trimester...so first trimester they are not feti(i think this is the plural...correct me if i am wrong)
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    • Cryer
      Paintball is over.
      • Nov 2002
      • 4105

      #32
      IMO, if girl got raped, they should go through with the pregnancy and at most consider adoption services or foster care afterwards.

      I understand rape is a traumatizing experience, and there is a tremendous amount of constant emotional stress involved, but thats no excuse to prevent a child from being born.

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      • m-98
        Lazy
        • Mar 2003
        • 331

        #33
        Originally posted by lord1234
        fetus is a person...but what about a cell? thats dividing? is that a person? babies are not considered fetal till 2nd trimester...so first trimester they are not feti(i think this is the plural...correct me if i am wrong)
        The difference between these cells and any others is that these cells are the building blocks for a new person, they may not look like a person but that doesn't change anything. It's like wadding up a new $100 dollar bill, it doesn't look the same as before but it is still the same thing.

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        • lord1234
          College Boy Spydarm
          • Apr 2003
          • 1558

          #34
          well then a complex carbohydrate cell is the building block too....so like a banana? or say maybe some sugar?
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          • lord1234
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            • Apr 2003
            • 1558

            #35
            also cryer, it has been proven that children who go into the adoption/DSS system have MANY problems..(i am sure someone who has been adopted/dss'd will read this and get pissed...sorry, but its a larger amount of ABNORMAL people that come out of this process than normal people). Also, its a traumatizing experience for mother/family to ahve to give up a child. Personally if my daughter was raped, i would have her have an abortion...who in gods green earth would want to bring a baby into the world that has the genetic profile of a vicious rapist? Personally i think that somewhere deep down inside criminal personalities are genetic and I think upon entry into the prison system, sterilization should be instant.


            BTW, i am glad we can have a good discussion instead of someone flaming away and calling each other "liberal" or "conservative" i personally tend to lump myself in the middle because it depends what the subject is and then i make my choice...for example i am PRO death penalty, pro euthanasia, pro abortion, pro gun rights...etc etc
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            • Cryer
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              • Nov 2002
              • 4105

              #36
              Originally posted by lord1234
              also cryer, it has been proven that children who go into the adoption/DSS system have MANY problems.
              Personally, I think thats better than not having the opportunity to have problems in the first place.

              I honestly can say, that if I were ever to have a part in an abortion (whether it be a wife's, a daughter's, or a friend's) I would not be able to wash my hands of it. I would carry the guilt to my death bed, and perhaps beyond.

              regardless of whose child it is, it deserves to live.

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              • FactsOfLife
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                • May 2002
                • 2504

                #37
                I only have one simple question.

                If you leave the process of procreation alone, i.e. don't abort, what is produced from these "cell divisions"?

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                • Bluestrike_2
                  Archer
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 481

                  #38
                  I'm sorta pro-life BUT:

                  if the person is born into a ****ty family who does NOT like adoption, then an abortion is a must. Why bring a child into a living hell?

                  Some people do NOT believe in adoption, but in abortion. Why? I don't know
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                  • Jonneh
                    A nice fellow.
                    • May 2001
                    • 990

                    #39
                    Originally posted by FactsOfLife
                    I only have one simple question.

                    If you leave the process of procreation alone, i.e. don't abort, what is produced from these "cell divisions"?
                    Comedy "A Human" answer. That's all well and good, but for a women to put herself through 9 months of ill health, discomfort and whatever the hell else sucks about pregnancy for a baby she doesn't even want, only then for her just to give it away (or even worse, care for it substandardly(?))seems kind of unfair, to both parties. Let them nip it in the bud and chalk one up to experience.

                    Also technically, an unborn baby counts as a parasite

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                    • taylor492
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                      • Feb 2003
                      • 690

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Jonneh
                      Comedy "A Human" answer. That's all well and good, but for a women to put herself through 9 months of ill health, discomfort and whatever the hell else sucks about pregnancy for a baby she doesn't even want, only then for her just to give it away (or even worse, care for it substandardly(?))seems kind of unfair, to both parties. Let them nip it in the bud and chalk one up to experience.

                      Also technically, an unborn baby counts as a parasite

                      hmmmm. Lets think about this one for a second. If she doesnt want the baby, then.......................................

                      simple math
                      1+1=2
                      1+0=1


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                      • Rooster
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                        • Oct 2000
                        • 1069

                        #41
                        The right of a woman to kill her own child doesn't bother me; as long as I have the same right.

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                        • 1stdeadeye
                          Still around????
                          • Jun 2002
                          • 8501

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Jack_Dubious
                          Im pro-choice...especially if they could increase the age of an abortable fetus....like up to 16 years old.


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                          • FactsOfLife
                            Conservative Jihadi
                            • May 2002
                            • 2504

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Jonneh
                            Comedy "A Human" answer. That's all well and good, but for a women to put herself through 9 months of ill health, discomfort and whatever the hell else sucks about pregnancy for a baby she doesn't even want, only then for her just to give it away (or even worse, care for it substandardly(?))seems kind of unfair, to both parties. Let them nip it in the bud and chalk one up to experience.

                            Also technically, an unborn baby counts as a parasite

                            I can't even comment on this.

                            Mods, ya best nip this thread in the bud...

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                            • Machina123
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                              • Jan 2003
                              • 394

                              #44
                              id like to add

                              all the male people posting now cannot really relate (including me). we cannot begin to imigine the emotional and physical stress that may come with an un-wanted baby. in the end it does not really come down to whether we ourselves find it right or wrong, because according to the law we have no say whether or not the female keeps the baby, but i believe that you should support them no matter what decission they make.

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                              • Rooster
                                Registered User
                                • Oct 2000
                                • 1069

                                #45
                                She didn't make that baby by herself. The father should get equal say.

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