D-Day, Let us remember

[OysterBoy]

You know what Konig Baller, my grand father stormed the beach at Normandy, so you can just take your "have fun with an online experience" crap and shut it. You just lost all respect that I had for you.

...Not sure how that has anything to do with what he said, but ok....

[Konigballer]

I guess your right, but Poland was kind of in a no win situation regardless.



gamarada, my suggestions earlier had nothing to do with your grandfather's service durring WW2, but with your trivializing the events of that war, and D-Day in particular, by "honoring" the anniversry of D-Day while playing a game that turns the horror of World War 2 into entertainment.

I dont have a problem with FPS games at all or the people who play them. I love them. I just think it underscores how ridiculously little you can even comprehend what happened on D-Day that you would think that that was an appropriate way to pay tribute to the veterens.

I was'nt at D-Day and I can read books all my life and never TRUELY have an idea about what its like to have bullets fly around me or see my friends die in front of me. However, I know enough to grasp how important that day was and to not trivialize it by "honoring" it with a friggin' clan match in BF1942. You get it yet?

[gamarada717]

First off, it's just a game. And what do you think a reinactment is? It's to show people just how it really was. True, Battlefield is not a replica of war, but if you wanted to use your imagination a little, you can get a sense. I will have honered soldiers 3 times today, first by church, second by going to an air show and listening to a speach by some captain, and then singing the our nation's song, and third by what we plan on doing tonight in the match. Your oppinions aside, I think what we are going to do isn't dishonering anybody.

Someone earlier mentioned to go and see Saving Private Ryan, and you didn't say anything about that. A movie is a form of entertainment just as much as a game. I enjoy learning about world war 2 just as much as you probably, and I know how you could practically walk on bodies all the way across the beach. Think about it....If you saw a video of our little animated soldiers march around the field, and then stop and fire three shots in the air, and you knew that it was a tribute to D day, could you honestly look me in the face and say that it was dishonering soldiers?

[Konigballer]

I never said it was "dishonoring" the soldiers, I just said it was'nt a good way to "honor" them. Read my posts. I would'nt think you would ever do something to intentionally "dishonor" D-Day or the veterens, I just thought that setting up some clan match in a video game as a way to honor those soldiers was trivializing the sacrafices they made in some respects.

Play BF1942 every day for all I care, I just thought it was the wrong way to "honor" the veterens on THIS day. I guess we'll just agree to disagree, but while your at it go kill a few krauts for me :)

I did'nt jump on the SPR suggestion cause frankly the only way you can get most americans to learn about anything is to make a movie out of it. If watching that gets someone to pick up a book or talk to a relative then I guess its a pretty good start. Saving Private Ryan, though entertaining, was made from the start to give a glimpse into the horror of war and the sacrafices made by the generation that fought in it. It edjucated people by shocking them out of their ignorance to the reality's of war and in that respect it is a very good movie. Battlefield 1942 was made to be a very entertaining videogame that used WW2 as a backdrop to allow you to frag your buddies and strangers online.

SPR could be said to have been made with slightly loftier intentions than an online war game. but whatever gets the job done I guess.

[OysterBoy]

Just as an aside, when I watched SPR, I was in fact entertained, but more of the time I was horrified and 'pierced'. I realized that the events taking place most likely did happen, if not worse things and thinking about my grandpa and great uncles plights was something that got to me, even though they survived.


Interesting story, before my grandpa died he told me that he and his crew (He was tailgunner on a bomber, I beleive) witnessed a UFO. It was night time, and normally you don't fly behind an ally, other wise they have no choice but to open fire. So as they were about to shoot this 'thing', it increased in speed Incredibly ('Like Satan running from a hell far worse', my Bob said) and stradled right beside them for about 5 minutes. Bob (grandpa) was trying to shoot at it but the cables which made sure they didn't shoot them selves were holding him. He described the ship as looking like some kind of a whale with lights and more speed then they could beleive. In a minute, it zipped past them at an ever faster rate, and then it was gone. He had taken me aside to tell me this as he was wary of telling storys about the war.

Interesting, no?

[devildog]

I guess your right, but Poland was kind of in a no win situation regardless.

poland has been in a no win situation since the 1800's. its amazing how many times different countries have tried to wipe poland off the face of the earth, but we're still here

another major turning point, or more of a helping point in the war was when poland decifered the german enigma code, and then shared with the allies so they can finally break german encoded transmitions. maybe we should celebrate poland

oh well, i guess we should honor d-day, everyone who fought on it, all countries, and you guys should stop arguing about it.

[SlartyBartFast]

If it werent for us, the french would be speaking german.

Not really. If the Allies hadn't invaded on D-day, the French (and the rest of Europe) would have been speaking Russian. Remeber that the last days of the war in Europe weren't a drive to beat the Germans, but an absolute scramble and race to meet and stop the Russians.

Heck, the Germans were falling over themselves to run into allied hands to surrender because they didn't want to be caught on the Russian side. One of the stories from Canadian troops on the front-line was that they ran into a number of German units with orders to surrender if you encounter the Allies, fight to the death if you encounter the Russians.

Had D-day not happened, imagine a Comunist Europe and Asia and the USSR possesing the A-bomb AND ballistic missiles (the German long range, two-stage rockets) long before the Americans. The world would have been a much different place.

Actually, I've read a number of articles decrying the west's hyping of D-day and non-exposure of the eastern front. But, three things were paramount in Hitler's mind and one was shared between Hitler and the Allies. Hitler's: Lebensraum and the destruction of 'inferior' races. The shared objective/desire: the destruction of communism.

Have to say we should be thankful that Hitler broke the non-agression pact he had signed with Stalin.

[Jonneh]

If it werent for us, the french would be speaking german. (now they wont support us at all)

Go see "Saving Private Ryan" today, go rent it. Then imagine that one of those guys were you.

If it wen't for the french, you'd all be speaking english... uhh.. properly.

[Hasty8]

yeah the invasion of russia was a huge part of the war. Its one of hitlers worst mistakes and it was also the turning point in the war. You have to understand though that this is America and we are probably going to celebrate what our troops did a little more than what another country's troops did

Not quite true. My fathers generation (the one born after the War) were never taught about the great influence that Russia had on the outcome of the War. Do you honestly believe that during the time of the "Red Scare" and the Cold War that we were going to give any credit to the "Commies"?

Still, they fough off 3/4 of the German army. Had America not been fighting it's own two front war (Europe and the Pacific) I doubt Russia would have been so vital to our success.

And even though the day is given to the invasion of the beachheads let's not fogive the men and women who lost their lives in the Pacific theater. We lost more warriors in the Pacific then we did in Europe.

OORAH!
Semper fi!

[Deep Sixx]

If it wen't for the french, you'd all be speaking english... uhh.. properly.

I was waiting for someone to point that out. I'd say y'all are pretty even. If it weren't for the French there would have been no USA in the first place.

sixx

[Buff]

I was waiting for someone to point that out. I'd say y'all are pretty even. If it weren't for the French there would have been no USA in the first place.

er...WRONG
The french didn't commit until they were sure we would beat the british, or atleast had a very good chance. They didn't want to help us then then have the British beat us, 'cause then the Brits would have exacted retribution......so they waited until we were gonna win. Give honor where honor is due, General Washington and our founding fore fathers are why we have the USA.

[FactsOfLife]

I was waiting for someone to point that out. I'd say y'all are pretty even. If it weren't for the French there would have been no USA in the first place.

sixx

Please spare us that BS. The french showed up AFTER the party was just about over.

Anyone that says otherwise is full of crap and has an agenda.

[OysterBoy]

poland has been in a no win situation since the 1800's. its amazing how many times different countries have tried to wipe poland off the face of the earth, but we're still here

another major turning point, or more of a helping point in the war was when poland decifered the german enigma code, and then shared with the allies so they can finally break german encoded transmitions. maybe we should celebrate poland

oh well, i guess we should honor d-day, everyone who fought on it, all countries, and you guys should stop arguing about it.

Amen dude, Poland was one of the earlier 'countries' in europe, but now its like we're a state, or a large town...

Where do you hail from? Been the longest since I've spoken the language, I can say some polite things, thats about it. I'm from 'Warsaw' (Warszaw, correct?)

[devildog]

i was born in the great city of Gdansk. big amber mining city right on the baltic sea. yeah, poland was the worlds most powerful nation during the 16th and 17th centuries. the polish white eagle is still the oldest national emblem of any country in the world. i love the country so much, poland doesnt recieve the respect it deserves, germans spread to much propaganda during ww2, gave us a bad rep.

[OysterBoy]

i was born in the great city of Gdansk. big amber mining city right on the baltic sea. yeah, poland was the worlds most powerful nation during the 16th and 17th centuries. the polish white eagle is still the oldest national emblem of any country in the world. i love the country so much, poland doesnt recieve the respect it deserves, germans spread to much propaganda during ww2, gave us a bad rep.

Good to hear from another person loyal to our great country :). I was way too young to remember much , we left when I was maybe 2 or 3, but I do remember feeling alot better then I do now, even in Canada.. its like entering a layer of 'not as goodness'...