Do you still support the war?

[Machina123]

Why do you all think Bush lied? Why keep stating that NJPaint? He went with the best intelligence he had! My God, Clinton used the phrase WoMD throughout his presidencey.

Bush told the American Public the info he had. He did not go out and gather it. He worked with what he had.

WAT are you talking about. bush had no evidence. NO EVIDENCE AT ALL. his own intelligence agencies informed him weapons of mass destrction are most likely not even there. yah so i guess we all know he worked with what he had

o and i do support the troops but dissagree with the war. so it is possible to do both. i dont openly go out and protest the war because i feel it would emotionally tare the soldiers over seas apart more than they already are, but i must be honest and i feel this war is being written be old men the blood ink of young americans.

[tony3]

Umm, no, I can support the troops and protest the war.

I dunno, thats like supporting the Big Mac but being anti-mcdonalds....damn I'm stupid...

[1stdeadeye]

WAT are you talking about. bush had no evidence. NO EVIDENCE AT ALL. his own intelligence agencies informed him weapons of mass destrction are most likely not even there. yah so i guess we all know he worked with what he had
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He used the same evidence Powell used at the UN. Of course I guess you have your own secret sources in the Whitehouse that told you this.

Powell layed out a damn convinceing case. It is only now after we are ther that we know Saddam was using smoke and mirrrors to strengthen his position.

[taylor492]

You're an idiot, please refrain from displaying your inanity in my threads. Thank you.

Public Forum, ill post where and whenever i like.


You're protesting of the war hurts the troops more than it helps them and for that you and every other war protester should be ashamed. So congratulations on having a small part in the demoralizing of the soldiers fighting for this country.

Army keep up the good work. Let other soldiers know that they're are people grateful for their sacrifices.

Having said that, im through with this discussion. Ill take my inanity elsewhere.

[Ov3rmind]

I'm sick of all this jingoism. No one should ever be ashamed of not supporting something they don't believe in.

[Miscue]

Sure do! Bad man in Iraq. Has lots of power. Has lots of money. Has connections with other bad people that he helps. Has killed/tortured a lot of people. He doesn't like the US, and did not forget Desert Storm.

The ONLY thing that keeps him from attacking the U.S. is a conscience. Think about it - what is there to stop him? He has the means to do it. And if he does, you think he's going to announce it? No, he will do it covertly - because he has to. We needed to get rid of him and his faction - and to do so required a war. Keep in mind he has already demonstrated no respect for human life.

Note that I made no mention of WMDs or terrorist groups that have been talked about. Those are merely tools. I think it's silly to argue about WMD's as having "justified" the war or not. It was justified regardless, what's being squabbled about is how efficiently he can kill people.

[cphilip]

I think history will prove out we did the rigth thing. I think WMD's or evidence their destruction will still be found. More than likely some of both. I don't think the intelligence was that far off on that. However finding them is no easy task. Might take YEARS.

Not that it matters as to the more lofty goal of removing regimes that support terrorism and disruption including mass murder and threating to overun thier neighbors. In the end it will all be a step in the right direction. Distastefull as it may be for the short term. Something had to be done. Somewhere had to be first. What better areas to put on your short lift than Afganistan and Iraq? And there now are several more. If they move on their own to clean up their act then things like Afganistan and Iraq will have caused them to be. Already seeing some of this...

One positive thing that will and is coming out of this is the world seeing the ruthlessness and unhuman-ness of Muslim Terrorism. They are sealing thier own doom with their own actions. Eventually even those that are sypathetic with "some" of thier causes will be disgusted enough to take them out. I anxiously await the day.

This whole Muslim extremist thing was like a boil waiting to burst. Best we burst it over there than here is my thinking. Muslims themselves will more than likely be the ones to end it once and for all and must. In the mean time we can help them by allowing the more moderate and resonable ones of them to have the power to do so. Call it an intervention. They needed it and I have every faith that they will show themselves worthy of it.

[Albinonewt]

I don't understand the first option of the poll "Yes and I always will" if you answer that, what if Bush comes out and says "I lied about the entire thing, we had no evidence". Basically that option is like saying "I like war no matter what is going on".

That's nonsense and you oughta know it.


I support removing that psycho whether or not weapons are ever found, especially considering we've already found some small numbers of weapons with chemical agents and a ton of equipment for making the weapons. It's obvious now that even if there weren't stockpiles anymore the ability was there to reconstitute in a short amound of time.

Even if the liberal dream scenario of Bush Lied was true it wouldn't change the fact that we've found in Iraq during the occupation numerous weapons and faciliites that violate the cease-fire.

And BTW - I've supported the war since the last Gulf war. Every day for more then a decade I've wondered why we left him in power.

[Albinonewt]

His school grades were mediocre, and he public speaking skills are poor.

You just descibed nearly every brilliant scientist in the last 100 years

[Albinonewt]

One couldn't say that they hope the troops survive and return home before /after accomplishing their mission? Just because one finds the reasons for war to be bogus doesn't mean they can't support the troops.

But hoping Army comes home safe is different then supporting him.

A person can wish for the soldiers safe return while at the same time being against everything the soldiers are doing in Iraq right now. In that case the person does NOT support the troops.

Nearly everyone, with a few weird exceptions in the fringe of the left, wants the soldiers to survive and come home alive. But not everyone supports them.

[-Carnifex-]

But hoping Army comes home safe is different then supporting him.

A person can wish for the soldiers safe return while at the same time being against everything the soldiers are doing in Iraq right now. In that case the person does NOT support the troops.

Nearly everyone, with a few weird exceptions in the fringe of the left, wants the soldiers to survive and come home alive. But not everyone supports them.

Wanting them to achieve their mission isn't supporting them?

The only problem I really have with the war is the justifications. If the first thing that had been on the agenda was the liberation of Iraq and getting rid of Saddam because he was "evil" I'd have no problem giving it my full support, but from the way things have gone, it seems the agenda has changed as the situation has.

[Albinonewt]

Wanting them to achieve their mission isn't supporting them?

The only problem I really have with the war is the justifications. If the first thing that had been on the agenda was the liberation of Iraq and getting rid of Saddam because he was "evil" I'd have no problem giving it my full support, but from the way things have gone, it seems the agenda has changed as the situation has.

That's different then the "Bush Lied the war is evil and forced on the country in order to get haliburton some new oil fields" crowd.

They don't want the soldier to succeed at their mission. If you support the war, the soldier, and the objectives but are still a little unsure about the justification that's an entirely different thing.

[Jaremy Rykker]

To Support and Disagree with Motive

I supported the war to begin with not on the basis of terrorism or weapons of mass destruction, as the Bush Administration really failed to convince me that either of these really existed there. However, there was a serious humanitarian situation in that country that was far worse than what has happened during the duration of the Coalition's official occupation of the country. Surely, a lot has been made of the Iraqi civilian casualties since the war. However, the Coalition forces are not to blame for a vast number of these deaths because they were not committed by the Coalition troops but by the terrorists who are trying to keep up an insurgency against American troops, and the few killed by American troops have mostly died in the crossfire of American troops and insurgents. What a screwed up country it is that they will take their children into the midst of a major protest even when they know that shooting has broken out in the last several and many have been killed in the crowds. Certainly I support their right to protest what we are doing, but I honestly think that the majority there is grateful for our actions. Still, they bring their children out to these major protests, fully knowing that their is a chance that it will turn violent and small arms fire will break out. And then when their child gets shot they blame us for randomly opening fire.

1)Look at almost every video and photo of American troops over there. Their fingers are almost always along the body of the gun outside the trigger guard, in a position to prevent accidental discharge.

2)Unless in combat situations, they almost never have clips placed in their rifles. They could load their rifles in a matter of seconds, but they aren't ready to shoot because we are trying to prevent accidental discharge.

Thankfully, we are now at a state where the Iraqis have retaken sovereignity of their nation, and hopefully that will cool off some of the terrorism currently taking place in that country. I completely support the troops, and am willing to give them the equipment, materials, and training they need to properly finish the job. I just don't feel that President Bush is doing this correctly. Our troops are peacekeeping, a role which I am in support of, but which is difficult and tedious as well as dangerous. Certainly they would do better if we had recieved some actual international support (which we did recieve from Great Britian and South Korea). Out of the entire "coalition", only a few countries have actually supplied realistic amounts of troops, noting that South Korea is promising several thousand more in the coming months, which is a decent amount for a smaller country that is along one of the most disturbingly active borders in the world.

I'm not with these Michael Moore (I enjoyed most of his movie, and it was quite comical at times, but I felt it unfairly demonized the troops which basically ruined it, especially noting the part where the troops commented on their favorite songs) sorts who want to see our troops home now, because their efforts so far will have been useless. A situation in Iraq would be created that would be much worse than Saddam if we left. If we remain in this to the point where Iraq can stand on its own feet, we will have achieved success at that point, and that is when I feel the President (whoever it is at that point) can truthfully declare "Mission Accomplished".

I don't disagree with the whole effect of the war, but I do believe oil was a good additional motive. *Nothing* this large is done for a single motive however, and I assure you that there were countless reasons for this war, and the humanitarian issues alone were reason enough for me. We just need to finish the job now, and this might take a while.

All in all, I really agree with Kerry's stance on the war, and am an active member of his campaign.

[Empyreal Rogue]

I don't support the cause for this War. I never have and doubt I will ever. What are our personal gains from this War? Lets see, because of the War we have increased gas prices, people died that didn't need to, looked like fools to the entire world because we can't find these WMDs, ruined our relationship with long time ally France. Jesus, what GOOD came from this War other than Saddam being removed from power? And that benefits the people of Iraq more than it benefits us. Hell, if he DID have WMDs he'd be more likely to use them on his own people than anyone else.

My point of view does seem like that of an extremist but that's what I see. My opinion can be changed but at the rate this is going I don't think it will be.

And despite what everyone is saying I do support our troops. I understand where everyone is coming from, if you support the troops then you support their actions but I don't care. If I'm wrong, whatever. I do not support George Bush as President funding this War on Iraq, or at least what's left of this War. However, I support the Troops because they're risking their lives to defend our country and people they don't know and will never meet. That's it right there.

[cphilip]

You want to let them all draw into one place and fight them there on thier kindred soil or follow you here?


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