Who won the debate?

[PissedGodzilla]

And yes, the President is responsible. So what are we supposed to do now that we are in there and have instituted a regime change which will eventually be for the better? Are we supposed to say "oops. Sorry, no weapons here so Saddam gets to take control again."

No, you replace the man who took our country into war in error. we did it in Vietnam, I believe...

You put someone in there who has a clear plan for the reconstruction of Iraq.

John Kerry

[FactsOfLife]

I dare you to find anywhere were I said anything about wmd's supplied by the US... you won't find it... another irrelevant FoL question....

Irrelevent? Hardly.

What's becoming increasingly irrelevent in this world is liberals.

Your policies are bankrupt, your stands on this country are out of touch, your need for "Global Tests" is fallacy.

Spare me your nonsense. You and others like you are arguing that Saddam should have been left in power to murder yet more innocents.

Nice try. How's it feel to be a failure?

[matt-o]

Irrelevent? Hardly.

What's becoming increasingly irrelevent in this world is liberals.

Your policies are bankrupt, your stands on this country are out of touch, your need for "Global Tests" is fallacy.

Spare me your nonsense. You and others like you are arguing that Saddam should have been left in power to murder yet more innocents.

Nice try. How's it feel to be a failure?

do you realise how stupid that was?

you basically said that we need to stop working with the rest of the world "testing" them, then said that it was right to topple a forign government, you hypocritical moron
you also spouted off tons of opinions without any proof at all
think before you speak next time

i dont want to hear from you about people saying irrelevant or dumb things

[matt-o]

Why do right wing whackos think that attacking Clinton is going to do anything... Hello!!!! wake up people, He's not running for president!!!

OF course, Right wingers want no responsibility put on George.

AGREED! you guys seem to bash clinton here as much as you do kerry, he has nothing to do with this election so drop that crap

[PissedGodzilla]

Irrelevent? Hardly.

What's becoming increasingly irrelevent in this world is liberals.

Your policies are bankrupt, your stands on this country are out of touch, your need for "Global Tests" is fallacy.

Spare me your nonsense. You and others like you are arguing that Saddam should have been left in power to murder yet more innocents.

Nice try. How's it feel to be a failure?

And this is when you know youv'e pissed FoL off... lol you can just feel his hitting each and every key muttering to himself about the "damn Liberals... grumblegrumblegrumble..."



Your changing of resons for our invasion of Iraq just adds to you incredulity.

The only failure in hear is your neocon ways.

Since when was our reason to oust Saddam to save innocents in Iraq. that's such a copout. That how you know you lost the argument... in fact, i don't think you have yet to win an argument against me, Facts....

Stop trying to change the subject. This President failed the people of America when he chose UNWISELY and RASHLY to invade Iraq when we should have been focusing on the man who is behind the attacks on America, Osama bin laden.

[-=Squid=-]

FOL > You.

[PissedGodzilla]

FOL > You.

apparently not....

[Miscue]

do you realise how stupid that was?

you basically said that we need to stop working with the rest of the world "testing" them, then said that it was right to topple a forign government, you hypocritical moron
you also spouted off tons of opinions without any proof at all
think before you speak next time

i dont want to hear from you about people saying irrelevant or dumb things

3 days. Same reason as Squid. Personal attack = bad juju. Heated discussion is one thing - but this is unacceptable.

[-=Squid=-]

apparently not....

No, FOL > You.

[PissedGodzilla]

lol hey Cue, who's next, Mr. BMF...


Awwww Look at squid with the huge additions to the conversation...

[Miscue]

And this is when you know youv'e pissed FoL off... lol you can just feel his hitting each and every key muttering to himself about the "damn Liberals... grumblegrumblegrumble..."



Your changing of resons for our invasion of Iraq just adds to you incredulity.

The only failure in hear is your neocon ways.

Since when was our reason to oust Saddam to save innocents in Iraq. that's such a copout. That how you know you lost the argument... in fact, i don't think you have yet to win an argument against me, Facts....

Stop trying to change the subject. This President failed the people of America when he chose UNWISELY and RASHLY to invade Iraq when we should have been focusing on the man who is behind the attacks on America, Osama bin laden.

Description of Ad Hominem
Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:


Person A makes claim X.
Person B makes an attack on person A.
Therefore A's claim is false.
The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).

Example of Ad Hominem

Bill: "I believe that abortion is morally wrong."
Dave: "Of course you would say that, you're a priest."
Bill: "What about the arguments I gave to support my position?"
Dave: "Those don't count. Like I said, you're a priest, so you have to say that abortion is wrong. Further, you are just a lackey to the Pope, so I can't believe what you say."

From: http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...d-hominem.html

[Miscue]

lol hey Cue, who's next, Mr. BMF...


Awwww Look at squid with the huge additions to the conversation...

Haha, yup. I haven't BMF'd in a long time. Although, I keep paying his monthly bill... hurm.

[PissedGodzilla]

Who in particular are you acusing of an ad hominem?

well, not accusing, but a cool website nevertheless...


I haven't played CoH because since the last update, my computer can't handle the truth....

[-=Squid=-]

I don't need to provide huge additions when half intelligent people such as FOL get the point across perfectly fine.

[Miscue]

Who in particular are you acusing of an ad hominem?

Both you, FOL, and a lot of others in here.

I took notice of your post because, you mentioned something about an "argument." Well, what is everyone's argument?

Trick is to word it simply, without rhetoric. Form logically valid arguments, and then it's a matter of testing the premises for soundness. There are formal rules on how to construct a valid argument - review sites on formal logic for either review or introduction.

If you want good argument, this is the way to go - otherwise it's rhetoric. People are "arguing" but not in the sense of logical argument. Note that "logical argument" has a specific meaning - it's nearly mathmatical - it does not mean that how everyone has been going about it is illogical or dumb.