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  • aaron_mag
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    • Jul 2002
    • 1375

    #1

    World opinion of US: Don't like US but love Americans

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    LONDON - America's reputation around the world is hurting, according to a series of coordinated polls published Friday from 10 countries, including many of the United States' closest allies.

    In eight of the countries where the surveys commissioned by major newspapers were conducted, more people said their view of America had worsened in the past two to three years than improved. That question was asked in nine countries.

    By big margins, those questioned said the war in Iraq did not aid the global fight against terrorism.

    And in eight out of 10 nations, those polled said _ often in landslide proportions _ that they hoped to see Democrat John Kerry beat President Bush in next month's election. Bush won backing from a majority of respondents only in Russia and Israel.

    The polls were conducted in Canada, France, Britain, Spain, Japan, South Korea, Australia, Mexico, Israel and Russia, with results to be published in the participating newspapers on Friday. Not all questions were asked in every country.

    On average, 57 percent of those questioned said their opinions of America had worsened over the past two to three years, compared with 20 percent who said their view had improved. That question was asked in nine of the countries, but not in Russia.

    Seventy-four percent of Japanese, 70 percent of French, 67 percent of South Koreans, 64 percent of Canadians and 60 percent of Spaniards said they had a worse opinion of America now than two to three years ago.

    Only in Israel did more people say their view of the United States had improved than worsened in the past two to three years.

    In that period, which began just after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the United States has led wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. While much of the international community backed the invasion to oust the Taliban, Bush's decision to invade Iraq has fueled anger around the world.

    However, many of those polled separated their feelings about the U.S. government from their views of the American people. Sixty-eight percent said they had a favorable opinion of Americans.

    Asked whether American democracy remained a model for other nations, 52 percent of those asked said yes and 42 percent said no.

    In Britain, Mexico and South Korea, more people thought the United States was no longer a model, while in Canada, Russia, Japan and Israel, majorities said it was.

    Fifty-nine percent of people questioned in seven nations _ including Britain, America's closest ally in Iraq _ said the war there was not helping the world fight against terrorism, while 35 percent said it was, as Bush contends.

    People in all 10 countries were asked who they hoped to see win the White House on Nov. 2, and the result will make Kerry wish they had a vote.

    The Democrat was favored by healthy to enormous majorities in eight of the nations _ 72 percent supported him, compared with 16 percent for Bush in France.

    In South Korea, it was 68 percent for Kerry and 18 percent for Bush; in Canada, 60 percent to 20 percent; in Spain, 58 percent to 13 percent; in Australia 54 percent to 28 percent; and in Britain 50 percent to 22 percent.

    Bush came out on top in Israel by a margin of 50 percent to 24 percent and in Russia, 52 percent to 48 percent.

    The newspapers involved were La Presse in Canada, Le Monde in France, the Guardian in Britain, El Pais in Spain, Asahi Shimbun in Japan, JoongAng Ilbo in South Korea, the Sydney Morning Herald and Melbourne Age in Australia, Reforma in Mexico, Haaretz in Israel and the Moscow News in Russia.
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  • wad04
    Registered User
    • Jan 2003
    • 1207

    #2
    go bush!
    who ever said "its not whether you win or lose..." probably lost.

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    • cphilip
      Former Moderator

      • Jun 2026
      • 16216

      #3
      Doing the right thing is not always popular. I don't want my country to do the popular thing if its not the right thing. I would be willing to risk popularity to know I did not shirk my responsibility...

      Now that being said the US's popularity goes up and down all the time. Most people only see the world through their own eyes. And from their own needs and objectives. And overall many countries are jealous of Americans and envy them. And Americans come across to them as arragant in their position. Goes with the territory so I would not really get too upset about it. What I would do if I was you as an American is hold your head high, forget about it and try and present yourself to other countries, when you have the chance, in a good light and polite way. Be immune to the hate. Treat them with respect. Don't be an ugly American. Show them what truely is American. And thats tolerance and respect. You catch more flies with honey they say.


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      • logamus
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        • Dec 2002
        • 2346

        #4
        as long as other countries seperate politics from people thats fine. i dont mind others disliking our politics, so long as they like us a a people. i dont agree with all of canadas politics but i like canadians.


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        • deadeye9
          The other deadeye.
          • Jan 2003
          • 323

          #5
          In all societies, ours included, there seems to be a polarization of people's opinions about issues that affect us. People feel passionately about their opionions. This passion prevents rational thought. Finding solutions to complex issues, if the solutions exist, requires rational thought. However, it easier to avoid the complexity by dismissing opposing views than it is to think about it.

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          • SlartyBartFast
            The Flying Scotsman
            • Jun 2002
            • 2940

            #6
            Originally posted by cphilip
            Doing the right thing is not always popular.
            But it's also possible to do the right thing in the wrong way.

            The right thing, done in the right way is rarely unpopular.

            Doing the WRONG thing is also highly unpopular. And to those that are too full of their own demagoguery it's often difficult to tell the difference.

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            • Deep Sixx
              Registered User
              • Dec 2002
              • 345

              #7
              Originally posted by logamus
              i dont agree with all of canadas politics but i like canadians.
              Same here. I don't always like US politics or government, but I've never met an American citizen I didn't like! There's a BIG difference between a country's government and it's people.

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              • Jeffy-CanCon
                veteran rec player
                • May 2003
                • 1309

                #8
                As someone who works with statistics for a living, I don't put much faith in those numbers. We haven't seen the wording of the questions, which could make a huge difference. As could some figures on how many people were polled in each country, and how they were chosen. I am passingly familiar with a couple of those publications, and I would be surprised if they had reported any sort of positive result for Bush.

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                • CaptaiN_JacK
                  will get you high tonight
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 947

                  #9
                  There is a Dnaish foreign exchange student in my school, and we often talk about politics. He said that the majority in Denmark dislike Bush, and the same goes for most of Europe. When we started talking about nationalized health care for the US, and how Bush is against it because it will be a lot worse, I asked him how health care was in Denmark because it's all payed for by the gov't. He said it was perfect. I think when most Americans think of socialism, they think that everybody living in a Socialistic country hates it, and they'd rather have it like the US. That's not true.

                  And have you ever wondered, that if the majority of the world, including most of Europe, were against the war, that maybe, just maybe, they are right? Like they say, if you think you are the only sane person in the world, maybe you are just the opposite.

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                  • Restola
                    Certificated Cloud Buster
                    • May 2001
                    • 2230

                    #10
                    The world's opinion is irrelevant because foreign nations never put the US first (and they shouldn't).

                    Why should we work to please people who aren't working for America?

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                    • aaron_mag
                      Registered User
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 1375

                      #11
                      I'm not really worried about it one way or the other. I think, however, that we (Americans) tend to get pretty paranoid. If you travel abroad you will realize that most people love American citizens. I just went to South Korea and I have to say the people there are incredibly friendly. Yet on the board we frequently see people say, "They don't like us because we are freedom loving. They envy us because of our wealth. They think we are arrogant because we actually get things done in the world and they don't."

                      One of the things I found most interesting is that the polls showed that people like Americans. It was also interesting that alot of the people considered us as a model for the world. Yet we'll keep sticking our heads in the sand and saying, "The reason people protest against our recent actions is because they have ALWAYS hated and envied us."

                      Perhaps it is policies they disagree with and these policies should be examined. If our country is truly going to be the 'world leader' then we have to pay attention to our public opinion abroad and how people feel about our actions. It comes with the territory.
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                      • SlartyBartFast
                        The Flying Scotsman
                        • Jun 2002
                        • 2940

                        #12
                        Originally posted by aaron_mag
                        Yet on the board we frequently see people say, "They don't like us because we are freedom loving. They envy us because of our wealth. They think we are arrogant because we actually get things done in the world and they don't."
                        And saying any of those things is arrogance of the highest level. Mostly perpetrated by those who have travelled little out of theri local backwater.

                        Others are freedom loving, others have wealth, others have accomplished things great and small.

                        A president/government that proclaims the US the defenders of the free-world and the center of all that is right and democratic may play well locally. But internationally, is it any surprise that American politics is seen as arrogant?

                        How do Americans in general like it when New Yorkers, Californians, or any large city proclaims themselves as the center of American Values?

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                        • Jeffy-CanCon
                          veteran rec player
                          • May 2003
                          • 1309

                          #13
                          Originally posted by aaron_mag
                          I'm not really worried about it one way or the other. I think, however, that we (Americans) tend to get pretty paranoid. If you travel abroad you will realize that most people love American citizens. I just went to South Korea and I have to say the people there are incredibly friendly. Yet on the board we frequently see people say, "They don't like us because we are freedom loving. They envy us because of our wealth. They think we are arrogant because we actually get things done in the world and they don't."

                          I have some American cousins, and many American friends. I like America, and Americans in general. But I'll never forget the USAF guy who came to my workplace (when I was a student) and asked to exchange his greenbacks "... for some of your local monopoly money." If I didn't have other US contacts, that arrogant jerk might have been my whole view of Americans. Fortunately, most people everywhere are pretty nice, so I wouldn't worry about bad national stereotypes, unless you are propagating it yourself.


                          Originally posted by aaron_mag
                          One of the things I found most interesting is that the polls showed that people like Americans. It was also interesting that alot of the people considered us as a model for the world. Yet we'll keep sticking our heads in the sand and saying, "The reason people protest against our recent actions is because they have ALWAYS hated and envied us."

                          Perhaps it is policies they disagree with and these policies should be examined. If our country is truly going to be the 'world leader' then we have to pay attention to our public opinion abroad and how people feel about our actions. It comes with the territory.

                          Following public opinion is not leadership. Leadership is done from the front, convincing others to follow.

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                          • Caffiend
                            Caffinated Member
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 672

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Jeffy-CanCon
                            But I'll never forget the USAF guy who came to my workplace (when I was a student) and asked to exchange his greenbacks "... for some of your local monopoly money."
                            I would have told him no
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                            • Konigballer
                              "Dusty Bottoms" on MCB

                              • Jun 2003
                              • 1254

                              #15
                              "And saying any of those things is arrogance of the highest level. Mostly perpetrated by those who have travelled little out of theri local backwater."-----SlartyBartFast







                              so true man, so true. we get alot of that on this board.

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