Reorganizing the electoral college

[FactsOfLife]

Your analogy is faulty.

Electoral college != the same level as the constitution.

My analogy is spot on.

The changes proposed to affect the electoral college are nothing more than opportunistic gerrymandering.

A few individuals have sniffed out an opportunity to collect short term gains at the expense of the majority, and the long term health of our system of elections.

You want to talk about disenfranchisement? Here's how to do it to MILLIONS.

[Kevmaster]

And you would be incorrect.

I do think Article II Section I and Ammendment XII pretty clearly define the electoral college....so, yah, the constitution created it

[aaron_mag]

My analogy is spot on.

The changes proposed to affect the electoral college are nothing more than opportunistic gerrymandering.

A few individuals have sniffed out an opportunity to collect short term gains at the expense of the majority, and the long term health of our system of elections.

You want to talk about disenfranchisement? Here's how to do it to MILLIONS.

Excuse me? How does majority rules become 'at the expense of the majority'?

I think you need to check your logic...

[cphilip]

Majority takes on several meanings here. Majority of populous or majority of States as it resulted from majority vote Its more a result than anything. The electoral College it really designed to represent the Majority of each States wishes to to the Federal Government. It's more of a collection of those and how those votes went and then a presentation to the Federal Government of how that states votes ended up. So its still a majority, but just more of a collective result majority. Without winner take all it all becomes fairly meaningless. More or less. It takes away its purpose. And that is to counter a highly populated state or region from overrunning the wishes of some less populated States. It has its purpose and works overall pretty darn well at evening things out.

[Repoman-gene]

We're already useless. 9 electoral votes means nothing.

The point is that there will be better representation in the US if this goes through.

You do realize that a change in the Electoral process will have NO EFFECT on the quality of Representation in the US.

[aaron_mag]

Fact: More populous states pay MORE to the smaller states. Look at the tax burden



So quit your whining about your violated states rights. About how the states 'impose their will on the smaller states'. Small states benefit from the deal of being included with states like California and New York. And since small states benefit from the money that the big states offer they might want to be generous and let the big states vote with the same weight that they give money.

In short it is the large states that should say: quit taking our money and then moralizing to us about how we have 'lost our morals'...

[cphilip]

...note Washington DC....

[FactsOfLife]

Excuse me? How does majority rules become 'at the expense of the majority'?

I think you need to check your logic...

and you need to improve your readong comp skills.

THE MINORITY THAT WANTS THIS WILL EFFECT THE MAJORITY THAT DO NOT.

got it?

[aaron_mag]

and you need to improve your readong comp skills.

THE MINORITY THAT WANTS THIS WILL EFFECT THE MAJORITY THAT DO NOT.

got it?

No...I don't get it. Look at these statistics from the article: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl..._76737773/pg_2

The democratic impulse is to correct that imbalance. Public opinion polls have shown Americans favoured abolishing the Electoral College by majorities of 58 per cent in 1967, 81 per cent in 1968, 75 per cent in 1981, and 61 per cent in 1987. Polls taken immediately after the 2000 election showed large majorities still favoured an amendment to the Constitution that would allow for popular election of the President. Interestingly, in a CNN/USA Today Gallup poll, 77 per cent of Gore voters favoured such an amendment, but only 44 per cent of Bush voters did so. Some politicians are scrambling to seize the mood. Within days of her own election as Senator, Hillary Clinton said 'I believe strongly that in a democracy, we should respect the will of the people and to me, that means it's time to do away with the Electoral College and move to the popular election of our President'. Bi-partisan proposals are already going forward in Congress.

So a majority of voters favor it be changed but a minority think it is fine the way it is. So I ask again...who is this majority you are talking about? One thing is guaranteed. The majority of voters will vote for Kerry. He might lose the electoral college (which I doubt), but the majority isn't going to stand for all of these stupid excuses too much longer. If another fiasco happens where the guy with less votes wins the election it is going to be abolished...

[bleachit]

...note Washington DC....

and virginia and west virginia... why do I have to live in stupid New York stats... sigh.

[FactsOfLife]

No...I don't get it. Look at these statistics from the article: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl..._76737773/pg_2




So a majority of voters favor it be changed but a minority think it is fine the way it is. So I ask again...who is this majority you are talking about? One thing is guaranteed. The majority of voters will vote for Kerry. He might lose the electoral college (which I doubt), but the majority isn't going to stand for all of these stupid excuses too much longer. If another fiasco happens where the guy with less votes wins the election it is going to be abolished...

ahahah keep hoping bud, it ain't gonna happen.

Kerry's stepped in it so deep this time, even his all purpose self inflating flip flops won't get him out.

As for your assertion that a mahority want it, you're flat out wrong. Citing some "article" by a no doubt liberally slanted writer does NOT constitute PROOF or statistics.

One thing a LOT of people are going to have slammed in their faces aftert his election, is that a sample of 1000 of out a country of 275 MILLION is HARDLY a solid basis for a position on anything.

btw I checked the sources for this nonsense... A British company? After the Guardian debacle, I would think you guys would attempt to find alternative sources... AHAHAHAH

[aaron_mag]

ahahah keep hoping bud, it ain't gonna happen.

One thing a LOT of people are going to have slammed in their faces aftert his election, is that a sample of 1000 of out a country of 275 MILLION is HARDLY a solid basis for a position on anything.

I couldn't agree with you more there...only I think you will be very surprised as to who will be surprised.

But you have a creative imagination. I'll be looking forward to how you spin it when the majority votes for Kerry. You guys on this board will still be claiming 'Bush is one of the most popular presidents...blah blah blah' even after he is sent packing after 4 years...

[FactsOfLife]

I couldn't agree with you more there...only I think you will be very surprised as to who will be surprised.

But you have a creative imagination. I'll be looking forward to how you spin it when the majority votes for Kerry. You guys on this board will still be claiming 'Bush is one of the most popular presidents...blah blah blah' even after he is sent packing after 4 years...

Kerry is and has been down in every major poll(as much as I hate the things) since last month.

Kerry should be INDICTED, not elected.

[Kevmaster]

One thing a LOT of people are going to have slammed in their faces aftert his election, is that a sample of 1000 of out a country of 275 MILLION is HARDLY a solid basis for a position on anything.

quite wrong. Reliably accurate to within 2-4% when done properly--which generally Gallup, Ramsuen, SurveyUSA, etc all do.

[cphilip]

Turned political now didn't it?

Whats with the slamming faces when we talking about our country and our leaders. Who really wants to devide us this much? Rediculous attitudes abound in this election. IT AIN"T ABOUT THAT! ITS ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK IS THE BEST WAY TO PROTECT AND COLLECTIVELY MAKE OUR COUNTRY BETTER!!!! Vote that way. Vote what you think is best. Vote what you think is best for all people. Vote for America. Not for the other guy cause you hate the other one. THINK.... THEN VOTE! It matters. It influences the Electoral College vote. It decides that vote. Its how it works. But don't vote with hate. Vote with carefull consideration for Americans.

VOTE

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