Best Fighting Style for This Purpose?

[Lohman446]

In Michigan should I draw my gun and shoot someone, or for that matter even draw my gun I better learn the words and hope a jury beleives them "I was in fear for my safety or the safety of others". You also have to be in a situation where a "reasonable" person, whatever that is, would have felt the same/ And there is a lot of truth to the idea that I will get in a lot less trouble for shooting someone then beating them badly. Stupid laws. My liability coverage will then settle with the attackers family for $130K as cheaper than the risks of defending me (they actually already have the number figured out).

[brianlojeck]

what happens if your first aikido move fails and hes on top of you. haha thats a good concept and all but ide have a backup plan.

in a similar vein, what happens if your gun jams, or you drop your knife, or your brass knucles get caught on the seam of your pocket, and don't come out when you need them?

If your karate-block doesn't, if the ground is too slippery for a good thai-kick, if you just drank a 44oz big gulp and the guy gets a lucky hit on your gut?

You should always have a backup plan, regardless of what style or defense you use.

[Hasty8]

Here is the list of forms I have taken and their benefits.

Jeet Kune Do - very open style if taught by the correct instructor. Seen as the culmination of all prior existing forms. originated by Bruce Lee.

Aikido - wholly non-offensive form that uses opponents weight and momentum against them along with various joint locks and pressure points.

Kenpo - The exact opposite of Aikido. Lots of fast, short strikes with fists to the face, neck, chest and arms. When done properly this is a blindingly painful and fast form. Some kicks but not many.

Kung Fu Wu Su- originated by Huang Ti, the Yellow Emperor, more than 4,000 years ago and has been perpetuated by practioners in the Wu Dan, Kun Dun, Qu'an Lon, and Yellow Mountain regions, the O'Mei Mountain Monastery and the renowned warrior-monks of the Shaolin Temple for centuries.

This was my first form and forms the basis of my knowledge. IT is a very nice mix of hand-to-hand and weapons; kicks, punches, strikes, defense and offense. A very solid originating platform from which to begine and I heartily recommend that you begin here.

If you are ever in NY I recommend you vist this school. http://www.kungfu-wusu.com/cmp/schedule.html

I am now taking Krav Maga and yes, it is very much considered a "dirty fighting" form but then again, there is no such thing as a fair fight. It is a VERY GOOD street fighting form as it teaches you defense against various weapons (firearms, knives and clubs) as well as dealing with multiple antagonists.

Whatever you choose it is important to go beyond the lessons taught and adjust the form to your body. I'm a rather large guy and cannot do much of the aerial kicks and what not but I have very strong legs so I rely on just a few sweeps and kicks and take the majority of my from in the way of punches, chops, strikes and joint locks.

[Hasty8]

In Aikido we had a term that has suddenly escaped me (my Sensei would not be happy)... it'll come to me...

anyway, it was a term meaning the "proper distance" at which to be in order to do Aikido. Essentially it's just far enough away that you and your opponent can just touch fingertips. at this range you CAN'T hit each other, and the aggressor must step forwards. when he does, you can Aikido him.

Me, being a new student, asked Sensei "What happens if he won't step forward? How do you win then?"

Sensei tells me: "If he won't step forward, you've already won."

That's why everyone should study Aikido. ;-)

Ma ai which literally translates into "harmony of space". This is the fundamental basis of aikido and is key to it's many moves.

And in response to Wicked, that is very unlikley unless you are attacked the very first night you leave the dojo. With just a few hours practice the first few moves are easily taught and almost impossible to forget. Also, since you are dealing with your opponents body weight and momentum even a goof can lead to a win.

[personman]

I used to take Aikido. I would say it's worth taking, for exercise if not anything else
It's probably what you're looking for.

[xXHavokXx]

I've done kenpo, some jiu-jitsu, Draka (sanshou) kickboxing and high school wrestling. What I've noticed what works the best is actually wrestling, 90% percent of the time you end up on the ground or locked up. Being able to control him on the floor is key.

Punches and kicks are great but you had better be able to take it because 2 guys standing is going to tear you apart.

JKD - Is nice only if you have a good teacher other wise stick to a blacned kung fu
Caporeia from what ive seen needs alot of room and you have to be able to get free of him.
Tae Kwon Do - I took it for a little while and I think we were training to beat up pieces of wood being held by people.

I think the best all around is Kickboxing/with a shootfighting combo. Both are meant to be used on someone.


Personally I think Krav Maga and Aikido has the right idea, engage, disable and get the hell out.

[Automaggin2]

Well, I took Tae Kwon Do for 7 years, or until i was 12 or 13. I reached my second degree but couldnt go any further until I was 18, so I quit.

I want to learn Gracie Ju Jitsu, that is what you need to use in a street fight

[nippinout]

I suggest the Weaver Stance.

[Lohman446]

It really depends if its a "serious" fight or some school yard thing. I still think that in a serious fight against multiple attackers where there is no retreat a gun is a wonderful thing to have.

Wrestling is a great thing, but against multiples your going to have a problem - if it comes down to multiples you almost need a style with strong, sudden movements - Kenpo for instance. With multiple opponents you need quick movements capable of incapacitating an opponent so that you can concentrate on others.

Remember this against multiple opponents - your likely going to loose. I was in a situation once that was going to rapdily deteriorate into several people vs. me. I reminded them that I knew I was going to loose, but I was not going to be the only one riding in the ambulance . When they realized that I would pick out one of them to do damage to and concentrate on him it took the fun out of it for them and we all went on our way. Trick is, avoid the fight if at all possible, you are not going to win, even if you "win" you will have issues to deal with.

[moed59]

the best style

is all MMA mixed, stand up Thia trust me leg kicks hurt and when your opp. is thinking about that you kick him right in the head. shin bone is like a bat. or you can take him down(ground and pound ) but i prefer stand up, very powerfull

[Automaggot68]

Thanks for the help, but most of the time I expect a combatant to just be throwing punches at me, not really any full-nelsons or anything. Most of the fights that I can see myself being dragged into would be against a thuggy-type kid who's trying to prove hes a big man. Also, I'm not very interested in weapons, since that doesn't seem very practical at all...

But please keep the help comin in, everyone.

Penkak Silat, all the way.
EVERYTHING is used as a weapon.

While I dont know anything else about that form, I studied in a few forms of AiKido, and Nisei goju Ryu. My Father used to teach the MArines down in MCRD Tai Kown do, as well.
Be Advised:: Anyone who tells you they known Ninjitsu, or anything at all pertaining to be ninja training is a damned Liar.
That last known 'Ninja Master' died in the mid Seventies,with no known disciples.

[Steelrat]

I suggest the Weaver Stance.

Except that in most shootings, even people who train with the weaver naturally revert to the isosceles. Doah!

I say Krav Maga, Some form of grappling style, or regular American boxing. When the fight is on, the fight is ON. Disable your opponent and disengage.

[luke]

[Automaggot68]

I'd have to agree with Luke on this one.

A while back, some guy took Brazillian Jui Jitsu, and modified the hell out of it. He invited experts of several different martial arts, and challenged them.
The jist of each fight was this.
The guy brought each 'master' to the ground, and just PUMMELED them. It was some of the dirtiest fighting i've ever heard of. He was also never beat as far as I know.

[Lohman446]

Its the advantage of any blended style - its why Kenpo is so effective. The "newest" styles are often just a blend of older styles, keep the best and discard whatever you don't need. and your right, in a real life fight these blended styles, in all but a few cases, are going to destroy the "traditional" styles simply because they are more versatile.