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  • lather
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    • Jul 2004
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    Any AO'ers Civil War Buffs? Who's your Best/Favorite Leaders?

    As an amatuer US History buff I find the War Between The States to be the most interesting period in US history. Here is a short list of my favorite Civil war generals. (As a Connecticut Yankee I realize the list is a bit one-sided, I'd appreciate it if any of you Southern AO'ers would add their additions/comments).

    Difference of opinion is welcome, though try not to flame thanks.....


    Yanks:

    ****OK first off my all time favorite*********


    1st Lt Aaron Lanfare of Co B 1st Ct. Cavalry. Awarded the COMH at Sailor's Creek Virgina in April 1865 for the capture of flag of the 11th Florida Inf.. He also happens to be my Great Great Great Grandfather.



    1. John Buford. IMO largely responsible for bringing Union Cav up to par (and arguably surpassing) Southern cavalry. For the first 2-2/12 years of the war Yankee Cavalry was being soundly whipped and outridden by Reb Cavalry. It wasnt until 1863 where more agressive generals like Buford and Kilpatrick were promoted, and the gap between blue and grey was lessened.


    2. Phil Kearny. One of the few Union Generals equally respected by the North and South for his fighting prowess. KIA after running into Confederate lines (Confederate. General A.P. Hill even stated "Fighting Phil" deserved better than to die in the mud.) Aggresive and Brave. Was probably the most experienced Union General at the start of the War.


    3. General Meade. IMO very underated. Preformed very calmly during the battle of Gettysburg after only receiving command of the Army of the Potomac a few days before. Major shortfall was he was eclipsed by Grant and was not very diplomatic and had more than a few enemies. (To his credit I believe he was of the very few Union generals not intimidated by Lee).

    4. General Grant. Perfect foil to Lee. Most of his credit came after he joined the Army of the Potomac but his earlier Western campaigns were even more impressive imo. Also one of the few not intimidated by Lee. His refusal to gloat or grandstand after Appomatoxx was a tribute to his charactor as well.


    5. Joshua Chamberlain. Just a very interesting charactor. Seems more of a Pacifist than a Fighting man. A Proffesor with no prior military experience, but posessing a firm grip on tactics and leadership. Wounded 4 times and earned the COMH at Little Round Top.

    6. Phil Sheridan. Tough little bugger. Brave and aggressive. Would threaten to whip any Rebel army facing him and almost always did.


    Rebs:


    1. Robert E. Lee. The best General in American History---bar none. He regularly divided his numericaly inferior forces, attack and win. (This is usually a big military mistake but he almost always was sucessful). One of the few Generals who was held in awe and utmost respect by both sides! Almost won the war with an army both numerically and materially inferior.

    2. "Stonewall" Jackson Lee's Lightening bolt. Drove his men hard and fought hard. How can an Army not stand fast after hearing Jackson say something like this?--- "Then Sir, We will give them the Bayonet"!
    IMO also the best Last Words ever quoted: "Let cross over the river, and rest under the shade of the trees."


    3. Jubal Early. Salty and tough. Had a habit of not making too many friends. Got closer to Washington DC than any other Conferderate General. Lincoln observed the skirmish between Early's boys and the the VI Corps (I think) just outside of Washington DC.


    4. Longstreet. IMHO underrated. Performed flawlessly in nearly every campaign he was in. Very capable as a right arm to Lee. Doesnt get too much credit I think because he occasionaly disagreed with Lee.



    Just wanted to add Im equally proud of both North and South. It doesnt matter if you are from Maine or Alabama all should be remembered and honored equally as fellow Americans.


    I could have added much more comments to all of these above but I wanted to keep the post short. Could have added more Leaders too! (Sherman, Farragut, AP Hill, Stuart, Sedgwick among others)
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  • Gideon1331
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    • Sep 2003
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    #2
    Robert E Lee truly is the greatest general of american history, If we werent outnumbered 3-1 the south would have won.

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    • FactsOfLife
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      • May 2002
      • 2504

      #3
      Gotta love Grant. The guy was a genius.

      reading a couple of Civil War books atm:

      Stillness at Appomatox by Catton.

      and Grant Comes East by Gingrich(yes that Newt Gingrich)

      both are tremendous ly well written, Catton in particular is my vaforite Civil War author and historian, he writes in a manner that isn't just facts and dry text. You get shivers reading about the Wilderness, and Pickett's charge.

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      • FactsOfLife
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        • May 2002
        • 2504

        #4
        Originally posted by Gideon1331
        Robert E Lee truly is the greatest general of american history, If we werent outnumbered 3-1 the south would have won.

        The numbers didn't matter so much as the North's tremendous manufacturing capacity, that the south lacked due to their refusal to move away from the plantations.

        The south was doomed from the start.

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        • Jack_Dubious
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          • Apr 2002
          • 922

          #5
          JEB Stuart. But only because im supposedly related to him on my father's mother's side.

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          • Eagle
            The hand of vengence
            • May 2001
            • 950

            #6
            I'm not a big Civil War fan, but I do love history, grew up in Richmond, and am in the service. Mind you, I'm in the Navy, so my Civil War interest is more Navy tech than Army tactic.

            IMO Grant was more lucky than smart, much like Washington.

            I can't argue with Meade, he doesn't get enough credit.

            Lee was brilliant, the South just didn't have the resources, in particular tech and manufacturing wise to win. If he had had more loyalty to his country than his state and led the Union Army as was offered to him shortly before the outset of hostilities at Fort Sumpter, the probably would have been over in half the time.

            Nathan Beford Forest was quite possibly the greatest miliary mind this country ever produced, it's just his politics left much to be desired (founder of the KKK).
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            • Gideon1331
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              • Sep 2003
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              #7
              Originally posted by FactsOfLife
              The numbers didn't matter so much as the North's tremendous manufacturing capacity, that the south lacked due to their refusal to move away from the plantations.

              The south was doomed from the start.
              manufacturing is overrated , j/k ummm. you cant really say that the numbers really didnt matter, and you also cannot say that we were doomed from the end considering we won the first several battles

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              • felony
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                • Feb 2002
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                #8
                i am not a buff by any means, but i did take a class on US history..

                i always found it interesting that the war began and ended in the same dudes yard..

                i think that was the twist anyway??/
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                • FactsOfLife
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                  • May 2002
                  • 2504

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Gideon1331
                  manufacturing is overrated , j/k ummm. you cant really say that the numbers really didnt matter, and you also cannot say that we were doomed from the end considering we won the first several battles

                  That's like saying the NY Yankees should have won because they had a lead in the series.

                  When the lack of supplies and manufacturing became apparent to the average confederate soldier, the end was all but guaranteed.

                  Even the grunts understood that the North's superior manufacturing was going to overcome the greater numbers of the South.

                  It had to be hell knowing you were going to lose not because of spirit or even leadership, Lee was arguably the greatest military commander this country has seen. But it wasn't enough.

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                  • Jeffy-CanCon
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                    • May 2003
                    • 1309

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Gideon1331
                    manufacturing is overrated , j/k ummm. you cant really say that the numbers really didnt matter, and you also cannot say that we were doomed from the end considering we won the first several battles
                    Yes, he can.

                    In WW2, the Japanese won all the early battles. But even their top strategist, Admiral Isoroku Yammamoto, didn't think they had a chance of winning if the USA chose to contest their gains. Germany vs. Russia in WW2 was very similar.

                    On topic: I've always admired Lee, Jackson, both as tacticians and leaders of men.

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                    • Konigballer
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                      • Jun 2003
                      • 1254

                      #11
                      agreed Facts, but we went down fighting and took plenty of yankees with us.

                      I'm not really interested in the exploits of generals, though I admire many of the confederate calvary commanders like Mosby, Forrest, and Stewart.

                      I had a slew of relatvies on my mom's side that fought for the confedaracy durring the Civil War. Many fought with the 48th Virginia Infantry, that regiment fought in every major engagement that the Army of Northern Virginia participated in.

                      At Gettysburg, the 48th regiment charged up to the entrenched union position on rocky "Culp's Hill" and got to within ten paces of the Union line before being rupulsed with murderous fire. One of my ancestors died in this assault after being hit with a minnie ball in the head. The 48th Virginia Infantry regiment suffered almost 40% casualties durring Gettysburg.
                      His brother, who was in the same regiment, survived the war after being wounded twice and was at Lee's surrender at Appomattox, being discharged as a colonel.

                      I've been to Gettysburg twice, and walked up Culp's Hill were my ancestor died. My hometown is also a Civil War battlefield, I grew up in Franklin, TN. All we learned about growing up was the Battle of Franklin and the Civil War. Its in my blood

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                      • Chipper

                        #12
                        I have been to basically every Civil war battlefield, most 2 times.

                        Gen. Peirre Gustave Toutant Beaureguard has to be my fave. He has such a cool name....

                        And Robert E Lee PWNS JOO!

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                        • Eagle
                          The hand of vengence
                          • May 2001
                          • 950

                          #13
                          Originally posted by felony
                          i am not a buff by any means, but i did take a class on US history..

                          i always found it interesting that the war began and ended in the same dudes yard..

                          i think that was the twist anyway??/
                          dan

                          Yeah, that's my understanding. At least it started near his place. I've never been to Fort Sumpter, but I've been to to Appomatix several times and that's on the tour. Evidently he moved after the start thinking his new place would be away from the fighting.
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                          • toyotaboy12
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                            • May 2003
                            • 3663

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Eagle
                            Yeah, that's my understanding. At least it started near his place. I've never been to Fort Sumpter, but I've been to to Appomatix several times and that's on the tour. Evidently he moved after the start thinking his new place would be away from the fighting.
                            yea thats nuts

                            Gettysburg I went there in 8th grade.(2 yrs. ago) It was a much better place and I got to see where Pickett lead his charge. It was a mad long distance. I was also told many ghost stories on the ghost tour. Gettyburg has to be nuts at night. creepy.

                            I'd like to see the battle field on a more closer note as I didn't get out of the tour bus that often. I got to see the first casualty of gettysburg who was the girl that was in herr kitchen when a group of confederate soliders shot through the door into her head.
                            I knew not what I did but am now edumacated

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                            • -=Squid=-

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                              Thank God we lost.

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