Are these firearms legal in California?

[Destructo6]

if you manage to get a dealers license you can buy just about anything you want,

That's really not true, although it has been seen that way. The C3 license is for folks who are running a business. To buy post-1986 dealer's sample weapons, you need a letter from a Law Enforcement Agency that asks your business for a demonstration or purchase. The BATF is starting to crack down on folks who are using their C2/C3 license to expand their collections (ie a STEn is probably not a valid dealer sample).

For the most part, a 100% civillian is just as likely to get his forms signed off as not. That assumes that NFA weapons are not prohibited and the local Sheriff doesn't object. No C2 or C3 licensing required.

[lather]

I agree with Steelrat, Sig is better.

I have a Sig and a Glock 31...Both are great pieces but the Glock is a bit more reliable and has better "pointability" imo..Stock the trigger on the Glock is lighter too..Glock is also less expensive.. Ive shot about 6500 rounds plus in my G31 with no jams at all so far. Shot about 2000 in my Sig and got 1 jam and a couple stovepipes. (Both were bought new and are well taken care of).


HK handguns are overrated imo.


You really cant go wrong with either but I feel if I ever get forced in a home defense situation, I feel a LOT more confident with the GLOCK.

[Blennidae]

I bought my 226 new in '87. I can't remember how many rounds I have put thru it. It has never failed to feed or fire any ammo I have tried. I don't own a Glock, but have fired my buddies G20C. It has proven to be less than reliable when it comes to feeding.

Both are fine, but its a matter of preference. I don't like the way a Glock feels in my hands. I don't care for the Safe Action Trigger.

Everyone I have ever let shoot my 226 has been very happy with its ergonomics, and accuracy. As you mentioned, they are not the most affordable pistols out there. I have NEVER regretted having purchased my Sig. I would have no worrys about using my Sig in a home defense situation, but I have a Mossberg 500 for that.

If the Glock works for you, fine. I still feel the Sig is better.

[Steelrat]

I have a Sig and a Glock 31...Both are great pieces but the Glock is a bit more reliable and has better "pointability" imo..Stock the trigger on the Glock is lighter too..Glock is also less expensive.. Ive shot about 6500 rounds plus in my G31 with no jams at all so far. Shot about 2000 in my Sig and got 1 jam and a couple stovepipes. (Both were bought new and are well taken care of).


HK handguns are overrated imo.


You really cant go wrong with either but I feel if I ever get forced in a home defense situation, I feel a LOT more confident with the GLOCK.

Ever run a double feed drill in a glock? You can't use a brass cartridge, because it will become horribly jammed. You have to use a special plastic round. Unfortunately, guess what will be in your breech when you have a double feed? Thats right, the brass cartridge. Ooops.

Glocks are having problems with the extractors bending and breaking on their guns. I have also seen problems when foreign substances enter the whole firing mechanism, that "do not oil EVER" area at the back of the slide. Even a few grains of sand will screw it up.

I have NEVER had a failure to feed, extract, or eject with my sig 228. Sure, my trigger is heavier than a glock, but thats actually better. When the crap hits the fan, and the adrenaline starts pumping, a too-light trigger is more of a liability than a benefit.

Not to say glocks arent good guns. They are. But when agencies have a choice of weapons, most are going with the sig.

[CaliMagFan]

i'll be in austria in a few weeks and am hoping to part with a few dollars for the chance to get a glock with the auto built on the back of the slide.... shipping it home is the hard part.... but i think i can clear it...

[lather]

Ever run a double feed drill in a glock? You can't use a brass cartridge, because it will become horribly jammed. You have to use a special plastic round. Unfortunately, guess what will be in your breech when you have a double feed? Thats right, the brass cartridge. Ooops.

Glocks are having problems with the extractors bending and breaking on their guns. I have also seen problems when foreign substances enter the whole firing mechanism, that "do not oil EVER" area at the back of the slide. Even a few grains of sand will screw it up.

I have NEVER had a failure to feed, extract, or eject with my sig 228. Sure, my trigger is heavier than a glock, but thats actually better. When the crap hits the fan, and the adrenaline starts pumping, a too-light trigger is more of a liability than a benefit.

Not to say glocks arent good guns. They are. But when agencies have a choice of weapons, most are going with the sig.

Never had a misfeed or heard of a problem with Glocks. But Ive only been shooting mine for 6 years. Only thing I heard was the early .40's were having problems.


I like both the Glock and the Sig but the Glock has fewer parts, which means less chance of malfunction due to a simpler design. (Its one reason I love my Automag)
I dont care for the DA to SA action on the Sig too.


Also Sigs rust

But yes you cant go wrong with either. I'd go with whatever fits your hand and whatever you are most comfortable shooting.
I love my Sig, it just comes down to if the SHTF I'd trust my Glock over my Sig.

A too-light trigger is not an issue as your finger shouldnt even be on the trigger unless you intend on firing the weapon. The best safety device is your brain.

Never put your finger on the trigger unless you are ready to shoot!

[Blennidae]

Here is one serious problem I have heard about with Glocks.

http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/glock-kb.html

[Destructo6]

The infamous Glock ka-boom for .40S&W chamberings. It's pretty well documented.

About the only thing I don't like about Glocks is the grip angle. It doesn't point naturally for me (points high).

SIGs, HKs, 1911s, CZ (not the 52), all point about as naturally for me as my index finger.

I've never had a malfunction with my SIG P226, which is K-Koted so it doesn't rust. Never had any problems with the Makarov, now that I think about it.

[Eatem Alive]

Also Sigs rust

wouldn't just about any gun that you didn't take care of? the navy seals don't seem to be concerned as the 226 is their handgun of choice...stainless with nitron finish.

[Steelrat]

wouldn't just about any gun that you didn't take care of? the navy seals don't seem to be concerned as the 226 is their handgun of choice...stainless with nitron finish.

The other, older finish for the sigs did have a tendedncy to rust. The nitron is much better.

[cphilip]

So tell me you Law Enforcement types.... which Glock models are most of the agencies using now a days... in 9 mm?

[Bulldog]

Not a lot of guys carry the 9mm models anymore as a primary, the couple I know who do, carry the 17. It's mostly the smaller models for backups/off duty.

About the only thing I don't like about Glocks is the grip angle. It doesn't point naturally for me (points high).

Ya, me too. I can't shoot them comfortably. I like my overated USP.

[cphilip]

what are they carrying? the .40's?

Ah back up like the 19 model?

[Bulldog]

Ya, mostly the .40s around here. Not sure on the model numbers though of the smaller glocks, I've seen some that are pretty dang small. I can't even get my pinky on the grip, though I think I've seen some sorta extension that fixes that.

Edit: I think it's the 26 model for backup/offduty. Though I've known see the 19 carried as a primary. Mostly by women with smaller hands. That's not a slam, even though it sounds like one. Honest.

[cphilip]

Ah.... well. I can make a pretty sweet deal on a 17 is why I was asking. Was thinking about my kid and getting him one. He has been practicing with a Glock but I failed to ask him what Caliber they were using...