Marine Investigated for Killing Wounded Iraqi

[SCpoloRicker]

the media causes more trouble than they cause.

I swear I didn't edit that.

Even the hippies agree that unsecured target gets double tapped.

edit: If you hate the media, and by that you most likely mean TV, turn it off. It's the button on the top right corner. Seriously, just turn it off. There are plenty of ways to glean whats going on on the web, and you can be selective.

[HoppysMag]

when in doubt empty out.


bullets are cheap, american lives are exspensive.

[MaChu]

I love how two media sources are broadcasting the story. Al-Jazzira says "Innocent man in place of worship is brutally murdered in cold blood by American pig dogs." while others say "Americans after checking out a former place of conflict finds enemy soldier believed to be booby trapped, still living, hazardous and poses threat, is killed."(in simple words).

This conlfict will never end. What is seen as heroic and martyrdom in Arab Muslim eye's is heinous and goes against all conventional rules of war in the Western world. While when we try to fight based on their grounds, they see it as a violation of human rights. Before going into the Middle East against, Bust should have thought of the consequences of the clash between Muslim Arab and Western cultures, they just don't mix. WWIII will be fought in the arid deserts of the Middle East.

See we didn't have this problem in WWII when people shot the Nazis in cold blood and they did the same with us, there was no world shockwaves of "OMG", no one knew about it, but kinda did. Thank you media for making war for us even that much more complicated.

[FactsOfLife]

We're already IN WW3. and WW4 if you think the Cold War was a world war.

Islamo-Fascism needs to be wiped out.

They aren't interested in "getting along" with us.

They are only interested in doing to every man, woman, and child, what they did to Nick Berg.

[Konigballer]

This is one of those situations, although fairly rare, were I agree with Facts.

I have no objection to the actions taken by the marine in question. It was a dirty, and from a purely moralistic and logical viewpoint, wrong...but war is'nt clean, it is'nt moral, and it is'nt logical. Things like this have happened, and have happend, in every war fought by soldiers of all nations.

In a down and dirty urban fight against insurgents who shoot marines on one block, and then hide among civilians in the next, combat "excesses" by adrenalin fueled soldiers with their fingers on the trigger can only be expected. Historically, close range, bloody urban warfare has usually seen the lines between "acceptable" soldierly conduct and outright atrocity blur, if not dissapear completely, even in confrontations between uniformed conventional western armies. Now if your in Fallujah fighting a gueriila force who is nothing like you at all, either in culture, military ethics, or training standards, your naturally going to have an even greater occurance, and acceptance, of things like on the spot executions of surrendering or wounded insurgents by frontline forces. It's just war.

Any PC minded dope, be they civilian or military, who thinks wars are fought as cleanly as a chess match has never read ANYTHING on combat, and certainly never experienced it first hand. Picture the intensity, and confusion of that last urban fight for the bridge at the end of "Saving Private Ryan", times that by a thousand because your now in Fallujah,the bullets and explosions are real, and your death is final. After enough days of being in that kind of situation, can you honestly say you WOULD'NT react the same way as that Marine did when you encountered any enemy? I dont think I could.

[nastymag]

well taking the oppisite side of the argument here, i think the soldier should get reprimended ( though not imprisoned or anything like that). i'll explain why. i agree there is more to the story then just a cold blooded murder. another marine from the same unit had been killed the day before by a booby trapped body.but the insurgent was bound adn wounded, not booby trapped or about to shoot someone in the back. We rightfully think our selves more just the terrorists and insurgents, by that token we must always watch what we do. the war is not only about beating down the insurgents, its also about winning the hearts and minds of the iraqi people. so we have to be extra carefull when dealing with matters such as these. War is brutal, i understand that. But if you dont have people watching how we conduct ourselves there we could end up worse, because incidents like these and the prison abuses could turn iraqis from supporting us ...or beings unreasonably scarred.

[LudavicoSoldier]

Some people are saying "Bring our troops home!"

Instead, I'd like to say "Bring our media home!"

They'll just stir up more crap here, but it's better than them being over there.

Are you saying that the world shouldnt know what is going on down on the ground with the troops? This is a publicized war, deal with it. All modern wars HAVE been publicized and will continue to be. If only the military knew what was going on, how would any potential wrongdoing ever get resolved? Are you going to beiieve only what our government chooses to tell us?

The US Military IS NOT God's gift to the world, nor is it unaccountable for its actions. I am not saying that what this particular soldier did was wrong by any means. If I was in the same situation I'd probably do the same. All I am saying is that as much as it pains you that there are non military personel watching whats happens over there, its just the way it is.

Besides, I LIKE seeing pics/movies of what is going on over there. Gives me a little chance to live vicariously through them.

[HoppysMag]

Are you saying that the world shouldnt know what is going on down on the ground with the troops? This is a publicized war, deal with it. All modern wars HAVE been publicized and will continue to be. If only the military knew what was going on, how would any potential wrongdoing ever get resolved? Are you going to beiieve only what our government chooses to tell us?

The US Military IS NOT God's gift to the world, nor is it unaccountable for its actions. I am not saying that what this particular soldier did was wrong by any means. If I was in the same situation I'd probably do the same. All I am saying is that as much as it pains you that there are non military personel watching whats happens over there, its just the way it is.

Besides, I LIKE seeing pics/movies of what is going on over there. Gives me a little chance to live vicariously through them.

i believe hes refering to the elements of the media who use whats going on over there to serve there own political agendas and boost thier ratings. i dont think anyone here wants this war to be a secret that no one tells about. but we need news who dont freak out everytime a civilian gets caught in the crossfire and accuse the US of war crimes. US troops are going to extrodinary messures to avoid civilian casualtys. but remember, the united states marine corp is not an occupying force. they arnt trained for that ( they are, but thats not waht they specialize at)

[LudavicoSoldier]

True. I woudnt exactly say that this particular report had a clear political agenda though. The camera man saw what he saw. Everyone who sees the video/pics is going to drawn their own conclusions. I would say that to the untrained eye, it might look like the Marine in question was in the wrong. There are people here on the boards who I am sure know whats it is like to be under fire and constantly on gaurd, and they most likely have better insight as to WHY the Marine did what he did. War is hell, IIRC.

[skife]

well taking the oppisite side of the argument here, i think the soldier should get reprimended ( though not imprisoned or anything like that). i'll explain why. i agree there is more to the story then just a cold blooded murder. another marine from the same unit had been killed the day before by a booby trapped body.but the insurgent was bound adn wounded, not booby trapped or about to shoot someone in the back. We rightfully think our selves more just the terrorists and insurgents, by that token we must always watch what we do. the war is not only about beating down the insurgents, its also about winning the hearts and minds of the iraqi people. so we have to be extra carefull when dealing with matters such as these. War is brutal, i understand that. But if you dont have people watching how we conduct ourselves there we could end up worse, because incidents like these and the prison abuses could turn iraqis from supporting us ...or beings unreasonably scarred.

he was moving, thats just more of a reason to kill him.

but it was probably for the best to kill him, he was wounded and bound, our marines were running from a building that was under heavy fire, were not going to take the time to carry prisioners out of a building because they are wounded, and it was easier to put the guy out of his misery than let him suffer.

[HoppysMag]

he was moving, thats just more of a reason to kill him.

but it was probably for the best to kill him, he was wounded and bound, our marines were running from a building that was under heavy fire, were not going to take the time to carry prisioners out of a building because they are wounded, and it was easier to put the guy out of his misery than let him suffer.

well if the situtation was really that hes was wounded beyond help then it is justified.or if he did pose a threat. but i dont think its acceptable to kill some one simply because you dont want to help him for waht ever reason or its incovenient. we do need to hold ourselves to a higher standard than these people. but the rest of the world should shut the hell up and be happy we didnt just level the city. the world forgets, these are not uniformed soldiers, the geniva convention does not protect them from anything.

ether way i wouldnt charge the marine with any crimes or anything.

little military trivia.

What weapon did the germans try to ban in ww1?
What was the only weapon to be banned by the pope?


EDIT : just read the geneva convention and am unsure on status of these insurgents. they dont cary distinctive sign reconisable at distance so i believe they are not entitled to the protect that say a militia would recieve.

[WenULiVeUdiE]

It wasnt just inconvienent to carry him out, it could have been deadly. It's not like this hasnt happened before in Irag. It was just the first time it was captured on camera.

[HoppysMag]

It wasnt just inconvienent to carry him out, it could have been deadly. It's not like this hasnt happened before in Irag. It was just the first time it was captured on camera.

i know what you mean, but there are reports that the man had already been secure and there was atleast another live man in there. they think that the man had been wounded, found and secured by the last group of marines in the building. when the new group came it they were unaware that the building had been secured, the man moved, the marine shot.

other reports dont mention wether he was secured or not.

[Kevn 419]

Too much politics in war nowadays.

[Jeffy-CanCon]

Too much politics in war nowadays.

War IS politics.