AO: We are back from the dead... again! After an 18 day outage, we are finally alive and well. Who knew how complicated updating software/databases from 2008 would be. I still have alot of tweaks to make, but my main goal was getting everything patched and updated to 2026.
Vbulletin 6 has changed alot since 2008 so we will have a ton of new features to dig into.
there weren't a "few" posters callng this BS. It is a controversial topic AND it's history. Why not worry about the ozon hole or something CURRENT. The only reason anyone would bring this up is to stir up some trouble. Man this board is so much like PBN it's not even funny. We we to find flambo and get him and Andy to start up a new board for us "normal" ppl again.
Also, just for the record. I appresiate what the natives did for the first settlers. But keep in mind it wasn't the settlers that conquored the west. As long as there have been humans there have been ppl who get rich on other ppls misfortune. When I celebrate thanksgiving I'm giving thanks for what I have and I rememeber the early settlers, NOT what happnened between then and now. If you want to destroy a perfectly GOOD holiday with irrelevant talk like this then it' your problem. I for one find it RUDE that ONE person feels the need to tell us why we celebrate holidays.
I for one find it RUDE that ONE person feels the need to tell us why we celebrate holidays.
I am not telling you why to celebrate the holiday.....just rambling about what I feel is an important consideration. Don't take it too seroiusly , I get rather grumpy around the "holidays" anyway.
HUMBUG!
How in god's name is a historical fact "flamebait?"
Also, bornl33t, history is more important than you could ever imagine. Also, learn to spell. Grammar, too! It's not that hard to type the word out...
It's history, yes. Yet history is not unimportant. So get your head out of your rear, as you are the only one starting with the flamebait.
An appology to all as I took the bait..........
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we screwed a native people out of their land , stole and lied to them in return for their good will.
Don't make the mistake of lumping all of the "we"s and "they"s into monolithic blocks. The various tribes are too numerous and their motivations too varied to put them in the same pigeon hole.
Some helped the early settlers out of kindness. Others did so out of pure greed, hoping that an alliance with the settlers meant they could successfully destroy their traditional enemies. Others allied to protect their land from whichever tribe dominated the area.
Don't make it sound as though The Indians all sang Cumbaya around the camp fire prior to The White Man.
God gave you a soul.
Your parents, a body.
Your country, a rifle.
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My question, how many native Americans do you know? What tribe or region are they from? DO they celebrate their heritage?[/QUOTE]
Considering I am surronded by the Crow,Fort Berthold, and Fort Belknap reservations.
Crow being right in my backyard. I won't count how many I know. Most are Crow, but I out here we have all kinds. From Blackfeet to Souix to Crow to Asiniboine to Nez Perce to Chinook the list kinda goes on.
I work as a bartender so I meet alot of people in my day and I can honestly say I have never met an indian that doesn't celebrate Thanksgiving. And almost everyone I have met is very proud of his/her heritage and have no problem telling me.
And then you throw up someones website as evidence of what? I could search the web and throw up activists websites all day. The only thing that would prove is that I can find alot of wackos.
Does this make history right? No. Does this list give me any credential? No, your questions are a bit loaded.
But how about just takeing the holiday for its spirit and just be THANKFUL that we have the ability to argue on the internet.
Fall Seven Times Stand Up Eight.
Whatever happened to natural selection? Survival of the fittest?
The kid who swallows to many marbles doesn't grow up to have kids of his own. Simple stuff. nature knows best! - George Carlin (Napalm and Silly Putty)
This all happened over 200 Years ago. I bet you all want reperations for slavery too?
Guess what, it is history. Let it go. My family came to this country in the late 1800's. So I guess we should be immune from reperations since we were not here yet! Indians were already toast then too, so I guess I am guilt free! Oh wait, no I'm not.....I'm Catholic!
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