Anyone know anything about asbestos?

[PyRo]

As I reacall tuna did say it could take 10-20 years to see any affects...

[TheTramp]

Can you please post the link where you picked up this tiny gem?

You do realize that there are aceptable levels of asbestos based on time being exposed, right.

What was it Thordic said about stupid people?

[skooling of Tuna]

I had to add more insult just becuase this really was just about the stupidest thing I ever heard.

What is Asbestosis?

Now, please re-read that last paragraph Tuna.

An you think that just one amphibole is enough?

And it does not happen overnight you simpleton. It takes a very long time for asbestosis to surface due to the process of the destruction of the macrophages and the resulting scaring of the alveolus.

You seriously should check your facts before you open your mouth.

What you just posted is akin to yelling "Fire" in a crowded theatre simply becuase you see a bit of smoke.
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[Hasty8]

As I reacall tuna did say it could take 10-20 years to see any affects...

Then you recall incorrectly.

ONE asbestos fiber, smaller than than the human eye can see, if ingested in the lung can (and will) produce cancer. This fiber can sit in your lung for 10-20 years before it happens(in can happen overnight too). Asbestos is VERY, VERY bad stuff. Absolutely positively stay as far away from airborn asbestos as you can.

As Thordic said.

Stupid people and their desire to be heard.

[PyRo]

This fiber can sit in your lung for 10-20 years before it happens

Did you say somthing Hasty?

[Bolter]

there is an old guy who works with us who used to install asbestos into buildings by hand. All of his friends have died from asbestosis (sp) but he miraculously (again sp) is fine. Not sure how or why, but he has nothing wrong with him.

Chances are, you would not survive, but a small amount do.

[Southpaw]

. But he is really screwed because he is the one who ripped it down and he smokes to top it off.

At least his lungs will not light on fire

[Hasty8]

Wow. Another genius. I welcome whatever "anecdotal evidence" you are willing to give, which is what I would expect from a lawyer. I, however, prefer to remain within the realm of fact.

Perhaps, had you bothered to actually read the link you would know that I am neither and in fact, those FACTS I posted came from the Mesothelioma-Asbestosis Informational Resource Center (OOPS)!.

What is Mesothelioma-Asbestosis.Info?:
A website devoted to the needs of people diagnosed with mesothelioma, asbestosis. This is designed to be a member driven informational resource center, not a non-profit organization. It is not even an organization; rather it is a website. The content was not prepared by medical professionals or legal professionals and should not be taken as a substitute for medical or legal advice. It is an informational website created with the intent of helping people affected by various Respiratory Disorders including Mesothelioma, and Asbestosis.

I think I'll trust those with the condition rather than doctors or lawyers.

Speaking of lawyers, who is more at fault? The manufacturer who stopped using the material when the dangers became known or the "civil defender" who used lawyers to force the demolition of the building thereby releasing tons of toxics into the air?

Third, Tuna did not ever, not once say that it causes mesothelioma. What he did say is that one asbestos fiber can cause cancer. Please post links that show that a single asbestos amphibole can cause cancer because all the articles (and lawsuits) that I have found on the subject all claim the same thing.

"In order to develop cancer there must be extensive doses over extended periods of time".

Or as this Asbestos lawyer says:

Asbestos diseases follow a "dose-response" relationship curve, meaning the more asbestos fibers one inhales (doses) AND the higher number of exposures, then the higher the risk of an asbestos-related disease

Mesothelioma Lawyer

Again, Tunamand did not say this. What he did say was the exact opposite that one single, solitary asbestos fiber could cause cancer overnight.

Even the American Lung Association says that a more substantial dosage than a single asbestos fiber is required:

Mesothelioma is usually caused by asbestos exposure. Asbestos is a fibrous mineral known to be carcinogenic. People who are exposed to asbestos fibers for just a short period of time (few weeks) or even to a small amount may be at risk. In particular, people working with asbestos and their family members or those who live with them develop mesothelioma.

Mesothelioma Fact Sheet

"A small amount". I am pretty sure that if a single fiber presented that significant an amount of danger then they would say so.

Now, before you start arguing semantics, that "theoritically" a single fiber could, let's look at the potential risks and see if Tuna's statement was worth it.

Nope. Fact is you need a small amount over a period of time. Paintbattler did not have this. He was in and out in a short period of time, probably before they ever removed the asbestos so it is highly probable that the asbestos was "encapsulated" according to legal requirements.

Again, Tuna's words were irresponsible and akin to yelling fire in a crowded theatre just becuase you see a bit of smoke.

[Hasty8]

Did you say somthing Hasty?

Typical Pyro. Ignore what is not convienent. What do you think is more likely to scare Paint?

The fact that it could take 10-20 years or the fact that "a single fiber could cause it overnight"?

Let's be serious here Pyro. Are you actually saying that a single asbestos thread could cause cancer overnight?

Anyway, rest assured PAint, you do not have asbestos poisoning.

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Okay, Pyro pissed me off so now I'll simply tear apart Tuna's statement.

ONE asbestos fiber, smaller than than the human eye can see, if ingested in the lung can (and will) produce cancer. This fiber can sit in your lung for 10-20 years before it happens(in can happen overnight too). Asbestos is VERY, VERY bad stuff.

Now, let's deconstruct, shell we?

ONE asbestos fiber...if ingested in the lung can (and will) produce cancer

False. Not everyone who has ingested asbestos gets cancer from it.

A study conducted on Finnish asbestos workers who either worked construction for ten years or worked in shipyards for one year showed that 22% of the workers showed signs of asbestosis development. If one examines the entire population of a country instead of just those at high risk, Asbestosis is a relatively uncommon disease

Asbestosis

This fiber can sit in your lung for 10-20 years before it happens

This is sorta true. The fiber stays in your lungs forever. Asbestosis starts to occur 10-20 years after exposure. Again, these exposures are typically of a large volume over a long period of time. Think construction workers, shipbuilders, automotive worker and the like.

I do not think Paintbattler belongs to any of these groups.

in can happen overnight too

This is just plain stupid. does anyone know of a single case where a person went to bed and woke up the next day to find out that they got cancer overnight? This is so stupid it's comical.

Asbestos is VERY, VERY bad stuff.

Again, not true. It's really very good for brake pads and what not. I have changed hundreds, if not thousands of brake pads in my many years and have yet to contract asbestosis.

Absolutely positively stay as far away from airborn asbestos as you can.

This is probably the only one hundred percent true statement he made.

[TheTramp]

[TheTramp]

Anyway, rest assured PAint, you do not have asbestos poisoning.

This at least is good helpful info.

[Hasty8]

Post links Tramp. Time and again, I post a fact, I provide the link. I could pull names out of my keister as well but without links they are worthless.

[Hasty8]

Sorry if I find a vast difference between one fiber, as Tuna states, the hundreds of thousands of fibers one would suck down if exposed for a few weeks as the ALA (American Lung Association) says.

[brianlojeck]

Tuna is correct one fiber can cause mesothelioma. One.

keep in mind this guy makes his living sueing companies for asbestos related matters, and is a member of the same profession that has made it possible for me to sue McDonalds for selling me food I asked them to sell me.

The same profession that believes you can be on video committing a crime, and still be innocent

I'm not saying he's wrong, but I'm not gonna say he's right either...

[Hasty8]

keep in mind this guy makes his living sueing companies for asbestos related matters, and is a member of the same profession that has made it possible for me to sue McDonalds for selling me food I asked them to sell me.

The same profession that believes you can be on video committing a crime, and still be innocent

I'm not saying he's wrong, but I'm not gonna say he's right either...

I have essentially been raised by attorneys.

Civil, criminal, commercial, corporate, trademark....

And I can say that you can always tell when an attorney is lying by checking to see if their lips are moving.

[Mango]

I do know that asbestos is definetly NOT alive.