Anyone know anything about asbestos?

[drg]

Everyone hates lawyers until they need the services of one. Then they're your best friend.

[HoppysMag]

Everyone hates lawyers until they need the services of one. Then they're your best friend.

no no, i hate them all, all the time. the last lawyer i had to deal with ( who was supposed to be good) pretty much screwed my whole arguement (license suspension) and then tried to charge more than we agreed.

[brianlojeck]

Everyone hates lawyers until they need the services of one. Then they're your best friend.

You could say the same thing about urinals.

[Jack_Dubious]

"Listen! And understand! That asbestos is out there. It can't be bargained with! It can't be reasoned with! It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead!"


JDub

[Tunaman]

Can you please post the link where you picked up this tiny gem?

You do realize that there are aceptable levels of asbestos based on time being exposed, right.

What was it Thordic said about stupid people?

[skooling of Tuna]

I had to add more insult just becuase this really was just about the stupidest thing I ever heard.



What is Asbestosis?

Now, please re-read that last paragraph Tuna.



An you think that just one amphibole is enough?

And it does not happen overnight you simpleton. It takes a very long time for asbestosis to surface due to the process of the destruction of the macrophages and the resulting scaring of the alveolus.

You seriously should check your facts before you open your mouth.

What you just posted is akin to yelling "Fire" in a crowded theatre simply becuase you see a bit of smoke.
[/skooling of Tuna]

You should go back to school and learn how to read and do research...before you open YOUR MOUTH:
Causes of Mesothelioma
Mesothelioma is nearly always related to Asbestos exposure. Asbestos is an extremely dangerous material and low exposure levels can trigger Mesothelioma. This means that even family members of asbestos workers are at risk because of the asbestos fibers brought into the home on their clothing.

Scientists have known about asbestos's carcinogenic (cancer-causing) properties since the 1930's, but asbestos was a cheap insulator and fire-proofing material. Corporations continued to put workers and their families at risk for decades after its lethality was discovered

[HoppysMag]

You could say the same thing about urinals.

i <3 urinals. seriously. greatest invention known to man

[drg]

no no, i hate them all, all the time. the last lawyer i had to deal with ( who was supposed to be good) pretty much screwed my whole arguement (license suspension) and then tried to charge more than we agreed.

Bah, license suspension. Kids ...

By the way people hate paintballers too because they shoot babies and homeless people in the face.

[Willystyle21]

All I know is that asbestos smells REALLY good when you snort it.............

[Glickman]

Well..heres the story.
There is supposed to be this haunted old hospital in our town..so well me and my friends went to go check it out..wel walked through the whole place..it was scary, but not haunted..today i look in the paper, and i see it being bull dozed down.i read the article, and it says there was asbestos in it and was just cleared of it before the tore it down.

What are the chances I have it?

when in doubt, check it out.

ive asked my doctor some pretty stupid questions, much "stupider" then anything like that

[PyRo]

Let's be serious here Pyro. Are you actually saying that a single asbestos thread could cause cancer overnight?

Negative.
A small amount COULD cause cancer eventually however, no?
Or a huge amount could cause complications in a short period of time, no?

[Hasty8]

Thanks guys. I don't know if this makes any difference in it or what, but all the walls were like torn apart and there was nasty stuff still on the ground. It basically looked like a tsunami went through there. From what I remember, there was insulation hanging down and I am pretty sure that I touched some of it...This is not good is it?

No, that is not good.

While not wanting to cause panic I would see if there are any tests for it. Keep in mind that Cphil is right. The only cnacer cause directly by asbestosis is mesothelima and only 22% of those with asbestosis get mesothelima.

My point, all along, was that Tuna was...well, rather stupid to say that as little as one one amphibole (asbestos fiber) could cause cancer "overnight". That's what he said.

This is dangerous and stupid. Like I said, akin to yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater becuase you see smoke. It's dangerous and stupid.

[Hasty8]

Negative.
A small amount COULD cause cancer eventually however, no?
Or a huge amount could cause complications in a short period of time, no?

10 years. It takes ten years to develop symptoms of fibrosis. And that's provided you are exposed to significant amounts over an extended period of time (typically a few weeks).

Doesn't much cound like what Paintbattler did.

[Hasty8]

You should go back to school and learn how to read and do research...before you open YOUR MOUTH:
Causes of Mesothelioma
Mesothelioma is nearly always related to Asbestos exposure. Asbestos is an extremely dangerous material and low exposure levels can trigger Mesothelioma. This means that even family members of asbestos workers are at risk because of the asbestos fibers brought into the home on their clothing.

Scientists have known about asbestos's carcinogenic (cancer-causing) properties since the 1930's, but asbestos was a cheap insulator and fire-proofing material. Corporations continued to put workers and their families at risk for decades after its lethality was discovered

Tuna, you did not address a single comment in my original post.

Yeah, here we go again. I love it when people are just too stupid to shut up.

The National Cancer Institute says:

Nearly everyone is exposed to asbestos at some time during their life. However, most people do not become ill from their exposure. People who become ill from asbestos are usually those who are exposed to it on a regular basis, most often in a job where they work directly with the material or through substantial environmental contact.

Does that explain it enough for you or do you need me to draw a map?

Yes, a small exposure could, theoretically, result in mesothelima, however, the likelyhood is so small as to be infinitesimal. That being said, let me again go back to the National Cancer Institute who says:

Asbestos is so widely used that the entire population has been exposed to some degree. Air, drinking water, and a variety of consumer products all may contain small amounts of asbestos. In addition, asbestos fibers are released into the environment from natural deposits in the earth and as a result of wear and deterioration of asbestos products. Disease is unlikely to result from a single, high-level exposure, or from a short period of exposure to lower levels of asbestos.

I guess that sorta destroys your whole "one fiber cuases cancer overnight" claim.

So, with that in mind let me ask you this. Would it perhaps have been a bit more prudent to tell Paintbattler that while a small exposure could lead to health risks the likelyhood is that he is fine but a check up would be a good idea or do you still think that it was appropriate to tell him that a single asbestos fiber could cause cancer overnight?

As for you wholly irrelevant comment about the corporations continued use of it. So what? Automobiles are inherrantly dangerous yet we still use them. Same with airplanes, lamps, computers, cell phones and even paintball guns.

What do you what Tuna? For us all to have to live in our own little hermetically-sealed plastic bubbles?

Risk is assumed in a great many things that we do. It is not the corporations jobs to ensure our health. That is one of the few things that the government should concern itself with. I cannot comment on whether or not the corporations hid the facts from their workers in the past but that is a moot argument today.

Fact remains. Your wild rantings were wholly inappropriate and clearly wrong. If disease is unlikely from a single, high-level exposure then I am pretty willing to be that Paint is cool.

Still Paint, if you wish the following tests will help determine if you have asbestos

Individuals who have been exposed (or suspect they have been exposed) to asbestos fibers on the job or at home via a family contact should inform their physician of their exposure history and any symptoms. Asbestos fibers can be measured in urine, feces, mucus, or material rinsed out of the lungs. A thorough physical examination, including a chest x-ray and lung function tests, may be recommended. It is important to note that chest x-rays cannot detect asbestos fibers in the lungs, but they can help identify any lung changes resulting from asbestos exposure. Interpretation of the chest x-ray may require the help of a specialist who is experienced in reading x-rays for asbestos-related diseases. Other tests also may be necessary.

As noted earlier, the symptoms of asbestos-related diseases may not become apparent for many decades after exposure. If any of the following symptoms develop, a physical examination should be scheduled without delay:

* Shortness of breath;

* A cough or a change in cough pattern;

* Blood in the sputum (fluid) coughed up from the lungs;

* Pain in the chest or abdomen;

* Difficulty in swallowing or prolonged hoarseness; and/or

* Significant weight loss.

All these tidbits of truth and more await you at NCI Asbestos Q&A

[PyRo]

10 years. It takes ten years to develop symptoms of fibrosis. And that's provided you are exposed to significant amounts over an extended period of time (typically a few weeks).

Doesn't much cound like what Paintbattler did.

Did I ever say anything about what paintbattler getting cancer tommorrow?
I bet if you snort lines of asbestos you arn't going to be feeling to good the next day either

[Hasty8]

Did I ever say anything about what paintbattler getting cancer tommorrow?
I bet if you snort lines of asbestos you arn't going to be feeling to good the next day either

I never said you did. I was criticizing Tuna for clearly implying that Paint could get it overnight from a single fiber and when you jumped in trying to support Tuna's claims I jumped on you too.

Don't like it? Then be careful of who you defend and how you defend them.