"that's so gay!" - offensive, no?

[OysterBoy]

This reminds me of the O.J. Simpson case. Heh.

People that call things gay can't do so logically without sufficient proof. Prove to me that a car can be gay. Then prove to me that a specific car is gay. Doesn't have to be a car either, anything else.

Saying something is gay is perfectly OK with me. Gay people are gay, aren't they? What I have a problem with is someone calling an unappealing car "gay."

Exactly what i meant.. too late I guess.

[red robot]

I'm going to sleep. I'll keep replying tomorrow after school. Goodnight guys.

[Will Wood]

I see what you mean. His intent is good and harmless. However, that does not mean that his actions are harmless. If I pointed a gun to my brother's head and, ignorant of the consequence, shot him in the head, I would be causing extreme suffering while my intent remained neutral. That's a bit exaggerated, but it holds the point. Even if you have good intent, like kevmaster has by intending to use it as being non-offensive to gays, it still is!

Yea ok your example is a bit extreme.. but yes you do have a point.

Anything can be offensive to the right person.

Ultimately, this side of the arguement is always at fault.. there is always something that can be done. Just don't do it.

But the point is.. How do I know what you find offensive or not? If I knew something was going to be offensive to someone, chances are, unless I hate them, I won't say that offensive thing.

But I'm not going to go out of my way, choosing my words carefully, in everday life, just to try not to offend someone. There is a time and place were people DO need to do this. In the casual everyday talk, there is not.

[ojhspyro89]

The only time i feel that saying someone/something is gay is when they say it way too many times in a short amount of time.

Also wtf is up with Jrs and Srs calling freshmen gay like 8 hours a day?

[Mango]

[Hasty8]

imho,

if it offends someone...tough crap. I don't give a damn whether I say something offends you. That doesn't just go for the 'gay' stuff either. I'll say what I mean and what I feel...and if you don't like it, thats not my problem. You can take your whining somewhere else as far as I'm concerned.

So, if it offends you, I'm not sorry, nor will I stop doing something unless I truly wish to.

Typical moron response.

"I'll say what I want and I don't care how you feel about it".

Well, let me say that you are an uneducated, drooling simpelton who is in desperate need of forced castration to ensure that you do not contaminate the rest of the gene pool.

Offended?

Tough. I'm just saying what I mean and what I feel.

Personally, I think that using the term "gay" as an insult is just yet another example of laziness. Someone wants to insult another so they choose to attach to them the stigma of being gay. This is akin to a racist saying that someone has a "touch of the tar brush" or some other blithering stupidity.

I say, if you are going to insult someone be creative. Use the vernacular to create imagery that will truly ensure that your insult is not soon forgotten.

Here are just a few of my favs:
"The best part of you ran down the crack of your momm'as arse and became a brown stain on the mattress."
"We would have been better off had your mother just swallowed."
"You are the post-child for forced castration".
"You are the reason first cousins/brother-sisters should not procreate."
"You are a useless pile of gibbering monkey droppings."
"You are a waste of human reproductive materials/human genetic code."
"You are what happens when Nature is bored."
"Somehwere, a village is missing their idiot."
"Hillary was right. It does take a village to raise an idiot and man, oh man, did we succeed."
"Your wheel is spinning but I believe the hamster is dead."

There are others but these should be enough to get the creative juices flowing.

Enjoy.

[Torbo]

i dunno, "gay" seems to describe so many things so perfactly......for that reason i will continue to use it, although i do have a pretty solid vocabulary.

[Hasty8]

I think what he means is, he is not going to change his wording of something because it offends someone. Obviously he won't around calling all homosexuals ***gots... But he won't adapt to make people happy because a simply words offends THEM. His intention has no harm, so be it. If he did mean harm, well that's another arguement.

Unfortunately his stance is all about causing harm and Kev knows it.

He is just one of those immature little fleebs who gets off on getting a rise out of others. Probablly becuase his own life is so dull.

While I personally feel that PC can be taken too far I also feel that we have a responsibility to our neighbors to at least make an attempt at policing our speech.

Keep in mind that the Freedom of Speech does not extend to slander.

By Kevs' argument there would be nothing wrong with him calling someone a nigger if he felt like it and that there is nothing to stop him from doing so. Other than the serious but-shooping he would receive should he ever do so.

No, what Kev demonstrates is nothing to be proud of. Instead, his words demonstrates a mindset that we really all should fight against.

I can understand using the term "moron" to describe someone, in this case, I could rationally put this term to Kev and I would not be wrong.

Speaking your mind is what this country is all about but insulting solely for getting a rise (i.e., calling someone gay just to insult and anger) is anathema to the First Amendment.

[Kevmaster]

I suppose I should clarify...

VERY VERY Rarely do I ever mean harm. Also, for the record, very rarely do I use the term ***/gay/similar words.

But if I choose to use that word (or any other group of words) at a certain time, I'm not going to hold back because it might offend someone or might make someone unhappy. No Chance. If i feel like it should be said, regardless of what someone else around me thinks, it will be said. I will not censor myself through a PC filter.


Basically...I will say what I say, regardless of whether you or anyone else is offended. Your reaction to my word(s) is your problem, not mine.


Hopefully thats a little clearer?

[Kevmaster]

Typical moron response.

"I'll say what I want and I don't care how you feel about it".

Well, let me say that you are an uneducated, drooling simpelton who is in desperate need of forced castration to ensure that you do not contaminate the rest of the gene pool.

Offended?

Tough. I'm just saying what I mean and what I feel.

No. I'm not. You're wrong...but I'm not offended.

uneducated? Not really. currently in my second year at Duke University, consensus top 5 university in the country. Where did you go to school? Went to high school at a top 25 high school in the country. Graduated with a 4.0 GPA

drooling? can't remember drooling recently...oh...wait...two weeks ago...but i was drunk. That shouldn't count

simpleton? perhaps...but I don't think thats entirely bad. I am from the south....and we all, to some extent, have a 'glorious lack of sophistication'.

contaminate the gene pool? if it makes you feel better...I'm scared poop-less of kids of my own. I don't do it for the kiddies.



oh...and FYI...somewhere a villiage is missing their idiot. will you go back?

[bornl33t]

gay is used to describe something you dispise....I think it's a suitble word for gays as well other things that fall into that catagory.

[Kevmaster]

I see what you mean. His intent is good and harmless. However, that does not mean that his actions are harmless. If I pointed a gun to my brother's head and, ignorant of the consequence, shot him in the head, I would be causing extreme suffering while my intent remained neutral. That's a bit exaggerated, but it holds the point. Even if you have good intent, like kevmaster has by intending to use it as being non-offensive to gays, it still is!

thats a bit exaggerated? no...you're talking another whole solar system!

But your point is right, and I think I accept that. I may say something with no meaning of malice, and you (or someone else) may find it offensive, and thats a consequence I'm willing to live with.

[Kevmaster]

Unfortunately his stance is all about causing harm and Kev knows it.
No...its not. I'm quite a caring person. I don't like harm and drama and that bs

He is just one of those immature little fleebs who gets off on getting a rise out of others. Probablly becuase his own life is so dull.
dude...you're offending all teh immature people in the world by calling me (who is not immature) immature. I think you need to rethink your words. seriously man. thats not right.

While I personally feel that PC can be taken too far I also feel that we have a responsibility to our neighbors to at least make an attempt at policing our speech.
so do it...just not the policing part.

Keep in mind that the Freedom of Speech does not extend to slander.
it should. but since it doesn't...i'm not saying anything that would hurt someone's rep!

By Kevs' argument there would be nothing wrong with him calling someone a nigger if he felt like it and that there is nothing to stop him from doing so. Other than the serious but-shooping he would receive should he ever do so.
if someone truly believes that black people are less.yadda..yadda..yadda.. (however wrong they may be), I accept that. I know they are wrong. I Know its crap. But if they believe that, thats their choice and I accept that. if part of that means using the n-word, so be it. I don't need to use it, but if they do, i accept their decision.

No, what Kev demonstrates is nothing to be proud of. Instead, his words demonstrates a mindset that we really all should fight against.
I'm proud of everything I do. Thats how I live life. If I do something I'm not proud of, I have let myself down. I will not do that.

I can understand using the term "moron" to describe someone, in this case, I could rationally put this term to Kev and I would not be wrong.
thats your opinion. you're entitled to it. I however, believe I am not a moron.

Speaking your mind is what this country is all about but insulting solely for getting a rise (i.e., calling someone gay just to insult and anger) is anathema to the First Amendment.
I don't act to get a rise out of people...jeez...

[Hasty8]

No. I'm not. You're wrong...but I'm not offended.

uneducated? Not really. currently in my second year at Duke University, consensus top 5 university in the country. Where did you go to school? Went to high school at a top 25 high school in the country. Graduated with a 4.0 GPA

drooling? can't remember drooling recently...oh...wait...two weeks ago...but i was drunk. That shouldn't count

simpleton? perhaps...but I don't think thats entirely bad. I am from the south....and we all, to some extent, have a 'glorious lack of sophistication'.

contaminate the gene pool? if it makes you feel better...I'm scared poop-less of kids of my own. I don't do it for the kiddies.



oh...and FYI...somewhere a villiage is missing their idiot. will you go back?

See how Kev is trying to explain away and otherwise rationalize my comments? Just as I knew he would.

He tries to explain how educated he is what with his school rankings and his GPA and what not. If he was true to his words then he would most liekly never have even bothered to reply to my post.

When you truly do not care what someone thinks of you the need to answer or clarify vanishes.

What a maroon!

[Hasty8]

I suppose I should clarify...

VERY VERY Rarely do I ever mean harm. Also, for the record, very rarely do I use the term ***/gay/similar words.

But if I choose to use that word (or any other group of words) at a certain time, I'm not going to hold back because it might offend someone or might make someone unhappy. No Chance. If i feel like it should be said, regardless of what someone else around me thinks, it will be said. I will not censor myself through a PC filter.


Basically...I will say what I say, regardless of whether you or anyone else is offended. Your reaction to my word(s) is your problem, not mine.


Hopefully thats a little clearer?

Actually, it a bit clearer thanks to another post of yours. The fact that you are still in college speaks volumes.

We'll just wait until you are out in the "real world" and working for a company and then we'll see how cavalier you are.