is making backups of DVD's illegal

[Acer12]

whatever. sorry im not a moderator. you better just close the thread.

[Potatoboy]

There's no reason to close it now. It hasn't turned into flaming (yet?) and is a discussion on the legality or lack thereof, not the actual production of backups.

[thecavemankevin]

All PS2 games and all Xbox games have copy protection. The very fact that they're on a non standard medium is copy protection. CSS isn't the only copy protection subject to the DMCA

Also, PS2 Disks and Xbox disks are not standard DVD-Roms. This is why even buring a copy to DVD of this is illegal, and coincedentally, it is why doing so requires software specifically designed to do it.

see, i haven't gotten that far in my research so while i figured this may be the case, i didn't know for sure. thus is why i turned to AO for information.

We've already established that these discussions are covering both an illegal topic, and one that has gotten many websites closed without any warning.

but where is this covered in AO's rules/guidlines and thus requireing them to be closed? if it is now not ok to talk about such topics here the rules/guidlines should be amended to display this

[Potatoboy]

It's common sense that topics on illegal activites can be closed, not to mention that the rules also state that a thread can be closed for any reason at any time.

[thecavemankevin]

this brings me to another question, so is it illegal to load your legally purchased music cd's onto your ipod or other MP3 player. going by your previous statments tato, i would assume so, but then shouldn't the Recording artist assoc go after ipod owners and apple for producing equipment that can and will be used illegally?

[Potatoboy]

Now you're doing some critical thinking :P

Yes, techinically it is illegal. Nothing I said was incorrect.

Especially when I said I never said I agree with the DMCA.

[Muzikman]

I can step in here on the music side of things. Ripping a CD or legally downloading an MP3 for use in an MP3 player is NOT illegal as long as it's for your own use. This is only true if you actually "own" the CD/Album/Cassette/etc that the music is taken from. The issues we are having now are the same issues the music industry had when Audio Cassettes came out. This was the first time a person could easily copy music and the industry was upset about it. The difference was that since it could be copied but not easily distributed it was not as big of a deal as MP3's are.

So, this means, making a mix tape (or CD...sorry I'm still from the old'n days) for yourself is completely legal, but making a mix tape and giving it to a friend is illegal.

Ripping your CDs, placing them on an iPod and then selling/giving that iPod to someone (without giving them the original CDs) is illegal also.

The RIAA has no problems with you making MP3's, they have a problem with you giving them away. In one sense I agree with this, but I would rather see it benefit the artist, not the record industry. This is why I own on CD, Cassette, 8track or vinyl "most" of the songs I have on MP3. To be honest, going to concerts, buying shirts, etc, actually brings in more money for the bands than CD sales do. But, record companies make less on these things, that is why it's usually the record labels screaming about MP3's and not the artist them selves (again, I use the word usually).

[thecavemankevin]

this also makes me wonder. what about the artists that say they don't care about the rampent "illegal" downloading of their songs. For instance i think i remember hearing Fred Durst of limp bizkit say they don't care, in fact they like it that their songs are getting as much as they are. So would the RIAA technically represent artists like limp bizkit in this matter, and i wonder what the artists think about it if they do?

[Eagle]

Here's another thing for you to chew on, they say buying music you can use it for your own personal use. So when someone goes to work at a strip club, they bring in a CD with music to dance to, is that illegal?

[datapimp69]

Since when do movies come with trial periods?
By law this is still illegal. You will find some sites offering movies, or games, saying that it's OK to play them for a period if you delete them. This has no legal bearing and is entirely false.

first i have to start by saying that i am not trying to start anything but...

have you ever been to a public library?

they dont only have books now. they have music cd's, they have DVDs. they have computer software.

there is a little law that says libraries can check out software, but it has to be RETURNED i.e. deleted from your computer.

so if a site set it self up an a non-profit libary you could download and check out software and would have to delete it from your computer in a set time frame.

this would apply to movies and music as well.

im not sure why this law havent been exploited more. but we did it back in the old BBS days.

[Chronobreak]

yeah if u read my post i talked about the law too

think its 2-3 days or 24 hrs in most cases.

this law has HEAVILY been exploited with online game roms(ok to dl if u say ur gonna delete them in a day)

[RRfireblade]

Also in before the

[Chronobreak]

:ninja
Also in before the

jay, come on now stop looking for excuses to use that thing

[Muzikman]

this also makes me wonder. what about the artists that say they don't care about the rampent "illegal" downloading of their songs. For instance i think i remember hearing Fred Durst of limp bizkit say they don't care, in fact they like it that their songs are getting as much as they are. So would the RIAA technically represent artists like limp bizkit in this matter, and i wonder what the artists think about it if they do?

If a band's record company is part of the RIAA then the band has no say so in the legal matters of their songs or albums. This is why indie labels are getting more popular. A band loses very little money if a song is downloaded and not paid for. The record company on the other hand loses alot (well, not as much as they would like you to think, but it's enough).

[Muzikman]

Here's another thing for you to chew on, they say buying music you can use it for your own personal use. So when someone goes to work at a strip club, they bring in a CD with music to dance to, is that illegal?

Yes. Unless they bring "their" CD, it is illegal. Unlike movies, there is no "public display" laws with music. But, that does not mean they can give DJ's (of any club) a copy of the CD and then forget about it.