Defense for abortion? Just a thought

[Lohman446]

This is not meant to become a political debate around the main issue of abortion, I am interested in discussing this theory and the logic around it

I heard one of the oddest defenses for abortion today, your stance on abortion need not influence the conversation, I am curious as to what you think.

The gradual decline of crime in America through the 90's (per capita) may be attributed to legalization of abortion in the 70's?.

The theory is based on the following evidence
1) Statistically "unwanted" and "unplanned" children have a higher crime average than those that do not
2) The 90s represented the decade when, had those unwanted children not been aborted, those born in the 70's would have been at the statistically more crime prone part of there lives
3) This decline was despite the crack epidemic of the 90's.

Now I understand social theories are hard to work with, as you cannot have a good control data set. Just wondering what others thought on this theory?

[deadeye9]

Your number of Useful Posts stays at 5.

Impossible to prove a connection.

If it were true, it would not sway those opposed to abortion.
If it were not true, it would not sway those who support abortion.

[Glickman]

may be ?

even though its probably right, this is the key word

[Lohman446]

Impossible to prove a connection.

If it were true, it would not sway those opposed to abortion.
If it were not true, it would not sway those who support abortion.

I agree that the connection in most socioeconomic patterns to the cause is nearly impossible to correlate due to the lack of a controlled data set. Nor does this change my view on abortion. It was a viewpoint that I had not heard before, and found interesting at least, a consideration of a possibility that I had never considered.

I am really not looking for the proof of it, which I would not beleive if I saw it, I know the impossibility of proving the corralation. What I am asking is what others think of this theory.

[Glickman]

i used to be very pro-choice on this subject, but i cant take athat stand on this subject anymore.

could you stand infront of your 5 year old child with a pistol? would you be able to fire a shot, even if it was poor, weak, helpless, and ill-cared for.
well, how is that any different from abortion?

i understand abortion for rape might be a little less... immoral. but is it right because you had a 16 year old group fest and didnt feel like using a condom, that you should be exempt of all responsibility, except for the guilt?

its for the woman to decide, is it worth bringing him into the world if hes unable to be cared for. but must consider what i said above.

[Jakedubbleya]

This is not meant to become a political debate around the main issue of abortion, I am interested in discussing this theory and the logic around it

I heard one of the oddest defenses for abortion today, your stance on abortion need not influence the conversation, I am curious as to what you think.

The gradual decline of crime in America through the 90's (per capita) may be attributed to legalization of abortion in the 70's?.

The theory is based on the following evidence
1) Statistically "unwanted" and "unplanned" children have a higher crime average than those that do not
2) The 90s represented the decade when, had those unwanted children not been aborted, those born in the 70's would have been at the statistically more crime prone part of there lives
3) This decline was despite the crack epidemic of the 90's.

Now I understand social theories are hard to work with, as you cannot have a good control data set. Just wondering what others thought on this theory?

Lol, lohman.

Ok, first of all, by recognizing that indeed they are potential human beings, criminals or not you in no way forward abortion.

That argument is illogical from any human point of view. The fact that they become criminals is not the issue with abortion, if that was the case i fear we might be living in a more secular world than i originally thought.

Lohman, i am so weirded out that you would bring up such an obviously inhuman and well, sick, view, maby you just hadnt thought it through...?

Killign people is ok because they MIGHT become criminals? just.. wow man.. sick...

Edit: i realize that this probably isnt your view, but to bring it up as though it had the possibility of validity...

[Thordic]

Why shoot a kid with a pistol when you can something cooler, like a flamethrower?

[Thordic]

Oh, and more to the point, I quite honestly wish more of you peoples parents had believed in abortion.

[Big'n slo]

Oh, and more to the point, I quite honestly wish more of you peoples parents had believed in abortion.

ZING

[Lohman446]

Lol, lohman.

Ok, first of all, by recognizing that indeed they are potential human beings, criminals or not you in no way forward abortion.

That argument is illogical from any human point of view. The fact that they become criminals is not the issue with abortion, if that was the case i fear we might be living in a more secular world than i originally thought.

Lohman, i am so weirded out that you would bring up such an obviously inhuman and well, sick, view, maby you just hadnt thought it through...?

Killign people is ok because they MIGHT become criminals? just.. wow man.. sick...

Edit: i realize that this probably isnt your view, but to bring it up as though it had the possibility of validity...

I worded the title poorly, its not truly meant to be a defense of abortion, however it is an argument that was new to me, and when I first heard it I was like.. no way. But it holds some logic to it... to me more logic than other abortion advocacy arguments.

That being said my view on abortion is thus: To beleive abortion is wrong you must accept that the fetus is a human and thus has rights. As such abortion, for any reason other than the risk of EXTREME health risks to the mother is immoral. As is abortion for rape or incest. Accepting abortion for rape is punishing the child (killing) for the crimes of the father (or mother). As such it cannot follow the logical view. I am against abortion actually, and this argument does not change my viewpoint... however, I found it interesting for discussion and philisophical reasons. It is a rather sick view when one considers it, but its not really one I advocate... it was just, well interesting that the line was even able to be drawn (though obviously, without a control data set it could be a very wrong theory)

[deadeye9]

... i fear we might be living in a more secular world than i originally thought.

Your fears are completely unjustified.
I fear we are moving towards a less secular (read rational) world.
Particularly, I fear that the US is moving toward Christian Wahhabism.

[Thordic]

Particularly, I fear that the US is moving toward Christian Wahhabism.

As opposed to liberal WAAHHHHHH!!!!ism?

[deadeye9]

As opposed to liberal WAAHHHHHH!!!!ism?

As opposed to rationality.

[billybob_81067]

Oh, and more to the point, I quite honestly wish more of you peoples parents had believed in abortion.

QFT!

[deadeye9]

The lack of rational thinking knows no political bounds.