Defense for abortion? Just a thought

[Jakedubbleya]

Aborting the result of rape or incest is punishing the unborn child? How about the rape victim? So, in your view if a 16 year old girl is gang raped she should be required to carry the child to term, thereby effectivly ending her ability to have a normal adolesence and adulthood? Have you at all bothered to think of just how much that child could be hated by the parent?

And don't even think of saying adoption. I swear, if one more person advocates adoption as an alternative for abortion I'll puke.

And there is nothing "sick" about it. It's nothing more than making a sound judgement from a data set.

And you obviously have no clue about statisical analysis by your continued incorrect use of the phrase "control group". The control group in this instance would be the section of society which does not lead to crime, i.e., the "upper-classes" so there very much is a "control group" here.

Look at it from his point of view.

What justifies murder? (the POSSIBLILITY of an adolescent having her future altered by a child?)

Adoption.

[Hasty8]

[puke]

I have now greatly lowered my opinion of you Jake.

I can see where you like to argue your positions from.

I'll stay in reality.

[Jakedubbleya]

[puke]

I have now greatly lowered my opinion of you Jake.

I can see where you like to argue your positions from.

I'll stay in reality.

please enlighten

edit: You clearly ignored his point of view it was highly appropriate for me to point that out. The reason that i am not revealing MY point of view is evident in the nature of your post.

Please think things through, and then when you are done, try giving the benefit of the doubt before you post like that.

And next time, try a rebuttle that doesnt involve my honor.

[Lohman446]

Aborting the result of rape or incest is punishing the unborn child? How about the rape victim? So, in your view if a 16 year old girl is gang raped she should be required to carry the child to term, thereby effectivly ending her ability to have a normal adolesence and adulthood? Have you at all bothered to think of just how much that child could be hated by the parent?

And don't even think of saying adoption. I swear, if one more person advocates adoption as an alternative for abortion I'll puke.

And there is nothing "sick" about it. It's nothing more than making a sound judgement from a data set.

And you obviously have no clue about statisical analysis by your continued incorrect use of the phrase "control group". The control group in this instance would be the section of society which does not lead to crime, i.e., the "upper-classes" so there very much is a "control group" here.

So the upper-class is a proper control group where the only variable was unwanted pregnancies? Please... there are so many variables from class to class and from decade to decade that conclusive analysis is impossible.

As for the idea that abortion is wrong except in rape and incest, there is a logical line that must be broken in order to state the opinion. If you accept that abortion is wrong it must be on moral grounds - as in abortion is murder and thus wrong. How then is it ok to murder an unborn child because of the crimes of there parents? If you accept that abortion is the mother's choice regardless and that it is not morally wrong (a reasonable argument has been made for this) then why you are doing it is not important. But to say it is wrong, except in rape and inscest, to me requires a departure from logical reasoning from the point A) Abortion is wrong to point B) except in cases of rape and incest.

PS: and the radio program was having a discussion of the book Freakonomics, I'll have to pick it up. Thats where I first heard the argument. Now that you mentioned it by name I was able to track it down.

[Cameo]

Being somone who has delt with this issue on a personal level here is my opinion....

Abortion should not be available to the public for a "price". Now a days to many females choose to use abortion as thier form of birth control. they feel that if they are permiscuious and don't do what is right then they can "just get rid of it". Many parents support this thought rather then teach thier children what is proper. The easy way out has overridden respecting yourself and others.

As for cases of rape, no 16 year old girl should be allowed to be in places or situations where this can be possible. If she does not go to the party then she can not be gang raped. If her parents keep tabs on her and set limits such as curfews chances that she will be harmed are lessoned. Someone posted of the affect it will have on the girl if she goes to term with the child. Have you considered the horrible effect that an abortion has on a female?? It eats at your heart and soul for years past. You always wonder "what if"... Let the girl have the baby. Let her parents do what they were set forth to do and help this young lady be strong and overcome adversity, and show her the way to properly take care of a child. Strong families is what america needs most.. Parents who care and can handle the situation no matter what comes thier way.. The easy way out is never really easy.

[tropical_fishy]

Being somone who has delt with this issue on a personal level here is my opinion....

Abortion should not be available to the public for a "price". Now a days to many females choose to use abortion as thier form of birth control. they feel that if they are permiscuious and don't do what is right then they can "just get rid of it". Many parents support this thought rather then teach thier children what is proper. The easy way out has overridden respecting yourself and others.

As for cases of rape, no 16 year old girl should be allowed to be in places or situations where this can be possible. If she does not go to the party then she can not be gang raped. If her parents keep tabs on her and set limits such as curfews chances that she will be harmed are lessoned. Someone posted of the affect it will have on the girl if she goes to term with the child. Have you considered the horrible effect that an abortion has on a female?? It eats at your heart and soul for years past. You always wonder "what if"... Let the girl have the baby. Let her parents do what they were set forth to do and help this young lady be strong and overcome adversity, and show her the way to properly take care of a child. Strong families is what america needs most.. Parents who care and can handle the situation no matter what comes thier way.. The easy way out is never really easy.

Mmmm, I don't know about that. Rape can happen by anyone, at any time. It seems like you've effectively just blamed a rape on a victim and her family, which is highly unfair, and just wrong, in my opinion.

Abortion should NOT be used for birth control. I'll concede that point. Under no circumstances should a woman be having unprotected sex (nor should her partner LET her) unless she wants a child nine months from that night. That being said, accidents happen. Condoms break, birth control fails. Then what? Carry a child for nine months and be unable to give it up? I'm not a horrible person. I could NOT have a child and give it away. Then again, I'm 17. I could NOT have a child and give it the life it deserves. Carry a child to term-- no thank you.

Abortion can have a horrible effect on a female, which is why it should be used sparingly. However, I hardly think you should generalize about EVERY woman's heart and soul post-abortion, because you are NOT every woman, nor do you know what would happen for every woman.

I'd also like to know who let you decide what's "proper." If, despite my precautions, I became pregnant, the "proper" course for me to take at this time would be abortion. My boyfriend and I couldn't provide for a baby. We wouldn't be able to go to college to get an education.


I understand that this is your opinion (and I'm hoping that you never had to go through it. I honestly am. If you did, I'm sorry you had to deal with it and I hope you're okay), but this is mine. I'm not saying abortion is easy... nor that it's right for everyone. But because it's wrong for you doesn;'t mean it's wrong for everyone.

As for the idea that abortion is wrong except in rape and incest, there is a logical line that must be broken in order to state the opinion. If you accept that abortion is wrong it must be on moral grounds - as in abortion is murder and thus wrong. How then is it ok to murder an unborn child because of the crimes of there parents? If you accept that abortion is the mother's choice regardless and that it is not morally wrong (a reasonable argument has been made for this) then why you are doing it is not important. But to say it is wrong, except in rape and inscest, to me requires a departure from logical reasoning from the point A) Abortion is wrong to point B) except in cases of rape and incest.

I agree with that. It's either right or it's not. You can't advocate that "it's right when...". It either is or it isn't. It's either murder or it's a choice.