Need help designing Website

[ntn4502]

So the place I work for wants me to put together a site for them(Perennial Vineyards), but Im not very good at that stuff and need a little help. If theres anybody out there that wants to earn a couple bucks to help me out with this, I need it. Just let me know, and I can get you the required info it needs, and a bunch of pics to put up with it.

[Warewolf50]

Im sure echo would want to help, I thikn he is trying to make money designing sites. Shoot him a PM.

[Dayspring]

Nelson, hit me up. I've got a little free time.

[Kevmaster]

nelson...you have mail

[JrnyFan1985]

I have a friend...

I have a friend who's a web design professional. If you send him an e-mail i'm sure he'll get back to you shortly.

here's his link to his portfolio:

http://www.dbecker.vze.com/

here's another link to his pet project:

http://doink.biz

he's honestly the best web designer i've ever seen. but enough of me talking, look for yourself.

[Echo419]

Hello ntn4502, I am echo. Warewold thank you for the intro, and you are correct. I recently have begun work on www.attackingecho.com Which is my person little toy page, Graphics wise I am pretty much capable of anything you want in 2d art (photoshop), Flash you dream it i'll do it. Also since I am not "technically" a professional, I will not ask to charge very much at all.

So check out www.attackingecho.com , and let me know if you are intrested. Shoot me an IM at AttackingEcho if you would like to discuss this further with me one on one. Or PM me via automags.org

-Echo out

https://www.attackingecho.com

[MantisMag]

ok as someone who just got through a class in web programming and design i thought i'd put my two cents in. as nice as all that stuff is i don't think a vineyard is looking for a lot of fancy flash. i could be wrong of course (i don't know anything about their product or target audience). however i think that a vineyard would be looking for something clean and professional looking. something a bit more refined. in other words no fancy animations or sounds. we're talking wine. not bacardi or smirnoff's here. i'm not saying that any of you are incapable of doing it but i just don't see it in the example pages you've given.

as an illustration here is the first website for a vineyard that comes up on google when searching for "vineyard". i have some issues with it once you get past the main page but the basic design ideas are good.

http://www.drycreekvineyard.com/

here is the bacardi website. if you don't see what's wrong with this you're going to be putting out the kind of crap that we like to make fun of in class.

http://www.bacardi.com/

i'm not offering my services as a programmer as i'm not quite there yet. i wouldn't feel comfortable taking money for something i don't feel 100% about. i can do a nice looking static page but for a commercial site i'd want to use php and scripting that i'm not proficient in yet. and if you wanted to sell online i don't know anything about ecommerce engines.

[Glickman]

echo's work is awsome

may not know how to use pre-loaders, but hes very good at cool looking site layouts

[Echo419]

Your comment about the fancy flash doesnt really apply, because think about it this way, its only fancy if you make it fancy... Keep in mind u always start with a white page.

And thank you so much glickman for the compliment and I got my preloaders working now! www.attackingecho.com

[MantisMag]

yes well it's not an issue of coding ability it's an issue of design ability. if you're not doing something fancy you don't need flash. you should be able to do it with straight xhtml and css and it's almost always better that you do so. making web pages isn't just about how much cool stuff you can do. nor does the ability to do cool stuff automatically grant you the ability to make good pages without the cool stuff. making a commercial web page is very different from a personal web page or an art web page or a demo web page. it's about achieving that company's goals, creating a user friendly interface, making things aesthetically pleasing and consistant with the company's image, and just in general connecting the company with the customer in the most efficient way possible. i stand by my comments when i say that the websites you have shown don't tell us anything about your ability to do these things. i have no evidence for or against your ability to do this. you haven't shown anything like it so there's no telling. you could be very good at it or you could create a horrific page that looks like something a 5 yr old did in frontpage. if i was hiring for this i'd want to see some work that's at least somewhat similar to the job at hand.

[Echo419]

MantisMag, i understand, and fully agree with most of what you said. As a flash designer, I know what it is capable up, and I know how to make something formal, while using the correct effects for this application. If he wants me to do this, I already have in mind ways to properly fit the marketing scheme typically applied in Vineyards. I would really appreciate it, if you would let the original poster comment on what he needs, instead of swaying him either way, because I simply am trying to earn a couple bucks, and another portfolio piece. I know I can do it, and I would understand your posts more if you were actually offering him something...

[MantisMag]

i'm not posting stuff against you so much as i'm looking out for ntn. i don't need to be in competition with you in order to say to someone who honestly i know a little better than i know you "hey, make sure you know what you're getting into." don't take this as anything personal or me trying to screw you out of business. i'm just giving an honest evaluation as someone who knows a little more about this stuff than most of the people here. you've got your fanboys to tell everyone how great you are. don't get upset when someone gives an honest but negative evaluation. especially as it's not even a critique on your work. just an observation on relevance.