Star Wars Ep III Thread

[bleachit]

better story

maybe a "better" story.. but has much less to do with the original 3.

[Jakedubbleya]

That's just a Correllian YT1300 Freighter. The Falcon is a specific and heavily modified YT1300.

Yeah, duuuh! I mean come on! YZ1300 obviously!

i just saw it.

you know what these movies are missing? the only thing that made the first 3 ok.

harrison ford.

and thats that.

btw, indiana jones rocks ANY starwars episode.

[Vex]

As far as the Leia scene in jedi, my wife mentioned it too as we were leaving. The only conclusion I could draw (having not yet read the book and know nothing of extra scenes) is that where leia was raised as an Organa she may not have known anything about her real mother and was refering to Bails wife (whatever the hell her name was) before knowing the truth.

This is what I was thinking as well. There is no way that Leia could have ever known what Padme looked like. All she had to go on is what Bail's wife, her "mother" looked like. But then again, was Bail married? They make no mention of a wife for him in any of the books. The Force could easily have "given" Leia a "memory" of her mother. It is the way and the will.

[Vex]

Yes, Yoda was apparently going to teach OB1 what Qui-Gon had taught him. There is supposedly a deleted scene with Qui-Gon and Yoda talking, or so I've read.

Correct. There was supposed to be a scene where Qui-Gon speaks to Yoda and tells him what he has discovered about retaining one's identity within the Force after death.
Yoda then passes this knowledge on to Obi-Wan, who has many years to prepare for it by the time ANH rolls around.
It is quite possible that Qui-Gon was preparing for his own death in TPM while he was meditating during his duel with Darth Maul. He knew he couldn't beat Maul, therefore, he was left with only one choice--meditate and carry on in the Force after death. Unfortunately, he didn't have enough time to prepare and to retain his physical identity (spirit)--only his consciousness.

Anyway, there's my ranting thought.

[WingMan13]

Correct. There was supposed to be a scene where Qui-Gon speaks to Yoda and tells him what he has discovered about retaining one's identity within the Force after death.
Yoda then passes this knowledge on to Obi-Wan, who has many years to prepare for it by the time ANH rolls around.
It is quite possible that Qui-Gon was preparing for his own death in TPM while he was meditating during his duel with Darth Maul. He knew he couldn't beat Maul, therefore, he was left with only one choice--meditate and carry on in the Force after death. Unfortunately, he didn't have enough time to prepare and to retain his physical identity (spirit)--only his consciousness.

Anyway, there's my ranting thought.

Sounds good to me

[lopxtc]

The only scene in the movie that didnt sit well with me was the outlash that Anakin has when he is finally transformed to the "Darth Vader" we all knew from ANH+. It just didnt seem right having Vader showing emotion like that. He was so stoic through ANH,ESB,ROTJ that it really seemed out of character. I am guessing there is some explination behind this in the book that never made the transition to the screen.

Aaron

[WingMan13]

As far as the Leia scene in jedi, my wife mentioned it too as we were leaving. The only conclusion I could draw (having not yet read the book and know nothing of extra scenes) is that where leia was raised as an Organa she may not have known anything about her real mother and was refering to Bails wife (whatever the hell her name was) before knowing the truth.

I thought the same thing at first but in ROTJ Luke asks her "do you remember your mother, your real mother?" This would lead me to beleive that she understood that she was adopted and was talking about a memory of Padme.

[WingMan13]

The only scene in the movie that didnt sit well with me was the outlash that Anakin has when he is finally transformed to the "Darth Vader" we all knew from ANH+. It just didnt seem right having Vader showing emotion like that. He was so stoic through ANH,ESB,ROTJ that it really seemed out of character. I am guessing there is some explination behind this in the book that never made the transition to the screen.

Aaron

Nope. That was just the last bit of weakness coming out of his body. He's all Darth after that.

[lopxtc]

Yeah I was kind of thinking that also ... just to me it didnt readily come across that way on the screen ... to me at least.

Aaron

Nope. That was just the last bit of weakness coming out of his body. He's all Darth after that.

[Thordic]

That was when he finally gave himself over totally to the dark side. He had nothing left, and gave himself over to anger and hate. I think that scene was important to show that there was nothing of the old anakin left.

[WingMan13]

Yep, I agree it was important. I thought it was great. The way he ripped out ,It looked like a tribute to Frankenstein.

[SCpoloRicker]

you know what these movies are missing? the only thing that made the first 3 ok.

harrison ford.

This hurts a touch.

Bingo! The prequels lacked a "rogue/scoundrel" type of character. One of the best things about the OT is the balance between young idealistic Luke, and the self-interested scoundrel who eventually loses his cynicysm (sic) and helps the good guys.

Which is why...

Han shoots first. He has his own self-interest in mind. Not "oh no, self-defense."

Reading Kevin Smith on the prequels, he thought Jar Jar *gasp* was whom Lucas wanted to be the scoundrel. But fan reaction was so negative he killed that arc.

/rant

[bit-wizard]

My thoughts . . .

First, I thought it was a great movie! I really enjoyed it: the story, the CG, the action, the resolution of so many questions. I only had a few beefs with the movie.

1) My biggest problem was with all the contorted faces that Palpatine was making during his battle with Mace and while he was "down". It destroyed the image of an evil, powerful, malevolent villan and reduced him to a comical carricature -- he looked like he'd been eating prunes. The only way I can possible explain the reason those expressions were included would be if Lucas were trying to show that Palpatine were relying on is hatred, passion, rage, and emotion during the fight -- if this is it, I wish they hadn't ended up looking so goofy.

2) Anakin's transition to the dark side and murder of children happened a little too quick for me. Seems like it should have caused him a little more agony making that decision. Almost like, oh, well, what the heck -- I join the dark side and go murder a bunch of my friends and associates.

3) There was a lot to cover in the film. I think it was done pretty well, but there were several areas that just seemed kind of rushed. The only solution would be to have the movie run 3 or 3.5 hours, and that was probably unacceptible. So, I guess they did well covering everything they did in the period of time they had.

These were really my ONLY problems, and the quality of the movie overall dwarfed them. All in all, I think it was a great ride!

bit-wizard

[WingMan13]

I think what was different about the prequels was the lack of the Rebellion. There were no real underdog heroes to root for. The Jedi could be seen as the heroes but they held there own for the most part. Don't get me wrong, I like them all, but the fact that we knew how the story was going to end gives off a different feeling.

[NoForts4Me]

I think Thordic is correct about the Vader transformation. Also, he just learns that his wife is dead and it is his fault. What's he supposed to do, a backflip? I think the Frankenstein reference was intentional as well.

1) My biggest problem was with all the contorted faces that Palpatine was making during his battle with Mace and while he was "down". It destroyed the image of an evil, powerful, malevolent villan and reduced him to a comical carricature -- he looked like he'd been eating prunes. The only way I can possible explain the reason those expressions were included would be if Lucas were trying to show that Palpatine were relying on is hatred, passion, rage, and emotion during the fight -- if this is it, I wish they hadn't ended up looking so goofy.

I took it that Palpatine was doing this for Anakin's benefit, trying to make Anakin feel "sorry" for him. He recovered much too quickly not to be faking. I agree with the rest of you comments for the most part.

So Thordic, what did you think of the movie?