Should Marijuana be legalized for medical purposes/recreation?

[Eric Cartman]

a friend of mine was high when he took a test in school and he got a $#@%ing FOUR percent on it. the reason he got that low was he was too high to even be able to spell his name right. imagine if a person was that high when they drove a car.

and if you want to bring up the fact that they could legalize it and make it illegal to drive, remember they have no equivalent of the brethalizer test for pot.

and you could also make the argument that you are putting yourself at risk by taking drugs. remember, suicide is illegal, even though its only hurting yourself.

Drugs don't fail tests, people who are stupid enough to get high before tests fail tests.

Your comment about not having an equivalent to the breathalyzer is IMO one of the biggest probels that exists as far as legalizing and controlling marijuana is concerned. It is a problem and I hope someone finds a way to make a "marijuanalyzer" (I'm copyrighting that by the way )

The laws regarding suicide is a topic for another long convoluted discussion, but just remember, just because something is illegal doesn't make it wrong and even more important, just because something is legal, doesn't make it right!

[Lohman446]

but just remember, just because something is illegal doesn't make it wrong and even more important, just because something is legal, doesn't make it right!

I agree, but reading the Constitution of the US I do not see in the federal governments enumerated powers the right to tell the citizens what is wrong and what is right. Nor do I see the power to criminilaze drugs. Does it exist on teh state level? Sure it does, but it is not on the federal level.

[Chris42050]

Marijuana should be illegal because people are stupid. Alcohol is legal, and it is abused. If weed were illegal, it would be abused just as alcohol is. Does being legal make alcohol abuse right? No, of course not. If marijuana was legal, it would not magically take away it's abuse away. It would only make it easier to abuse.

I'm sorry to say this is the biggest misconception people have. Our tax dollars have funded numerous government studies and each study has shown that legalizing weed would not cause more users. To the contrary. The users would actually stay about the same. As we all know. If someone wants a drug they will get the drug. Why spend all this money fighting a losing battle. Lets start making money off of it and regulate the industry and sell the drugs in stores instead of on streets where people are killed over bad drug deals, gang territory for drug sales, and letting the drug dealers make all the money tax free while we spend our tax dollars fighting it. Seems pretty stupid. This is a free country and we should be allowed to do as we wish as long as it doesnt infringe on others rights to do the same. Just because you dont like weed doesnt mean I have to obey your thoughts and beleifs. How about everyone doing as they wish without harming others. What if the government decided paintball leads to gun violence and made that illegal. Would you still paintball or would you just blindly beleive the government has all the answers and we should just automatically obey them. Have you ever heard of civil disobedience?

[Eric Cartman]

I do not see in the federal governments enumerated powers the right to tell the citizens what is wrong and what is right.

And thank goodness for that. Wrong and right are not concrete so no one can tell anyone else what is right or wrong for them as long as the rights of others are not being infringed upon.

[slade]

Drugs don't fail tests, people who are stupid enough to get high before tests fail tests.

The laws regarding suicide is a topic for another long convoluted discussion, but just remember, just because something is illegal doesn't make it wrong and even more important, just because something is legal, doesn't make it right!

youre missing my point. im saying he couldnt even spell his own NAME right he was so high. im not talking about his comprehension of the material, im saying being high just makes you not "all there." so if you arent conscious enough to write your own NAME, imagine if you tried driving?

and actually i think the law against suicide is just about the stupidest thing ever, but my point was that its a law against hurting yourself, and you could argue pot is illegal so you wont hurt yourself.

[Target Practice]

One more post before I drag myself out into this goddamn heat and start working.

Let's say we legalize marijuana. You think it'll be "Okay, go ahead and smoke it, we don't care."? Hell no it won't. You think all the growers/distributers/dealers are going to go "Well, can't do that anymore, guess I better get a job."? Hell no they won't. It would be so expensive, so regulated, and so controlled, you're practically asking for a black market. What happens when black markets spring up? Then it gets worse. Legalizing it will just make the abusers who either A) can't afford it or B) can't get it due to qualifications or regulations find other means of obtaining it, which just brings us back to here, except with a cut-throat black market operating, instead of just your underground dealers.

Edit: I lied about the last post part.

[Target Practice]

marijuana is awsome... beer can do More damage to u than weed does... soooooo i say it should be legalized

See the kind of crap that gives you pro-legalization people a bad name?

[Target Practice]

You've tried wine...why not just move right to a needle full of heroin? It's the same scenario.

No, it's not. But nice try, though.

[Target Practice]

Let me ask you a question. Have you used marijuna? I'm assuming no, if so exactly how do you know how it will make people feel? How do you know it makes people want a stronger high? You don't, and you can't until you try it.

As I restated before you posted, it's not a stronger high, but a different one. Try reading a little more carefully.

Since you people are all using off-the-wall analogies: I have never slammed my balls in a door. I have, however, talked to people who have slammed their balls in a door. They say it hurts. So, does that mean I have no authority to speak on whether or not it hurts to slam your balls in a door?

[Noonan]

No, it's not. But nice try, though.

Please, explain how it's not the same. In either case you're going from one mind altering drug to the next. Alcohol to heroin...pot to heroin. Sounds like the same thing to me.

[Target Practice]

100% of people I know that do hard drugs started on caffeine.

CAFFEINE IS A GATEWAY DRUG!

Good Christ I hope that's a joke

People never cease to amaze and disgust me. Listen to yourselves. The arguments do not even follow because your points are irrelevant to the issue at hand. The topic is not about the coolness or health of weed. It's about wether it should be illegal or not. As Lohman stated, the government simply does not have the authority to ban the drugs, at least on the federal level. That is all. Where are the arguments for THAT?

Bullcrap. Like I said, as a citizen of this country, you are a party in a contract with the State. They set the terms of the contract, we abide by it. Their justification is that they are the goddamn State. Remember too, this is a democracy, so The People, The Majority, deem it illegal. That's all it takes.

If freedom is too inconvenient for you, you should move to some other country. At least that's the way it should be.

As it is, weakminded 'americans' are all too happy to trade their freedom away in bucketfulls for the illusion of safty and comfort, and politicians are all too happy to give them what they want in order to be elected.

Stop using the government as a tool to control other people.

There is no justification for weed being illegal. Read my first post, my challenge still stands.

It sounds like you're the one who has an inconvienience issue with freedom.


Blah blah blah don't control me it's my body freedom liberty blah blah blah. You don't understand. You have a negative-liberty view. The view of the nation you live in is that of positive liberty.

I'm not giving away any freedom because pot is illegal. In fact, I gain freedom. The freedom of knowing that the government is combating something harmful.

Do you know why I gain freedom? Because I'm in the Majority. We rule this contry, not the minority. If the balance of power chances, I'll be in the minority. That's how it goes. So, really, if you don't like what the majority does, you are going to be the one that goes, not us.

Edit: Clarity

[Target Practice]

Please, explain how it's not the same. In either case you're going from one mind altering drug to the next. Alcohol to heroin...pot to heroin. Sounds like the same thing to me.

It's a question of magnitude. Show me where I ever said that someone would go right from pot to heroin.

Now, someone may go from pot, to peyote, to LSD, to meth, then to heroin. That's different. That's a gradual work up from what you claim to be a harmless substance.

Only a fool would make the wine to heroin argument. I really hope you don't believe that.

[Lohman446]

Do you know why I gain freedom? Because I'm in the Majority. We rule this contry, not the minority. If the balance of power chances, I'll be in the minority. That's how it goes. So, really, if you don't like what the majority does, you are going to be the one that goes, not us.

However, the purpose of law, the constituion, and various other ideals is to keep the majority from trampling the rights of the minority. At one point the majority of people (arguably) felt women should be second class citizens, I would hate to think that our country is meant to allow things like this.

[Target Practice]

However, the purpose of law, the constituion, and various other ideals is to keep the majority from trampling the rights of the minority. At one point the majority of people (arguably) felt women should be second class citizens, I would hate to think that our country is meant to allow things like this.

Who's rights are we trampling on? The right of some people to ruin their lives and that of others?

I'm sure most everyone here that has done it have turned out to be pretty upstanding people. But this is only the most microscopic of cross-sections of users.

You may all be great people that can use it in moderation and be okay. But you have to look farther then that. What about the people who end up in jail for posession or distribution, that go to prison, then learn how to make meth, or cocaine, or how to steal cars? What about the deadbeat parents who spend all their money on weed while the children starve, then grow up to be criminals and abusers of hard drugs. Are we trampling all over their rights?

[Army]

Remember too, this is a democracy, so The People, The Majority, deem it...

(We are a Republic. We vote for a representative to bring our comments, fears, and convictions to the government.)


Using any substance to alter cohesive thought, is stupid. While stupid is not illegal, consciously choosing to be so... should be.