To the Kansas School Board

[MoneyShot]

Hey, I live in Arkansas...and let me tell you--a vast majority of the people here haven't evolved yet

yeha i hear ya, my grandma lives in arkansas and we go and visit her a lot.

[bornl33t]

I suggest learning the english language before you try to insult someone with it. Then once you have learned to spell, work on more advanced concepts, like hypocrisy.

Learn to understand the word hypocrisy before you use it. Then you would certainly understand that it doesn't apply here. Also, the spelling thing is getting old. Find something a little more unique to build a comeback on so you at least seem like you have a mind of your own. And why are you posting a comeback to begin with? I don't remember making reference to you or insulting your religion or insulting your political standpoint? Maybe you need to work on more advanced concepts like when to open your mouth or not.

PS In your sentence the word English should be capitalized.

[kosmo]

While true that english should be capitalized, I dont really capitalize anything in my online writings with the exception of I and the beginning of the sentence. It isnt formal, but I do spell correctly.

Now that youve gotten a grasp on that concept, we will move on to hypocrisy. In your first post you reccomended with a not so subtle amount of hostility that nj should think for himself. This would indicate that you support the creationist theory and the actions of the school board. This is hypocritical because:

1: How is creationism thinking for yourself? Oh thats right, its not. Its accepting what someone else told you.

2: It is hypocritical because of your basic stance on the issue. You believe that your version of creationism is equally presentable with scientific theories in the classroom. And yet you reject this mans equally scientifically valid version of creationism.

In fact, njpaint has at no point apparent in this thread accepted the spaghetti monster as the creater of the universe. He simply chose to post this story for its humor and because the author presents some very good points about the actions of the school board.

[NJPaint]

In fact, njpaint has at no point apparent in this thread accepted the spaghetti monster as the creater of the universe. He simply chose to post this story for its humor and because the author presents some very good points about the actions of the school board.

That is a lie. I had a point. This has nothing to do with humor. I am one of the 10 million+ followers of th Flying Spaghetti Monster theory of creation. I pay homage to Him. This is an attempt to convert more of you to see the light and to teach this to your children as an equal theory to Christian dogma. We feel as though we should have the same status in the classroom as Christian teachings as we have as much evidence as they do and we whole heartedly believe that one day the Flying Spaghetti Monster will reveal Himself openly to the world and that you should all be prepared!

[spantol]

Heretic.

Behold, the one true faith.

[Jaan]

I sugjest you stop reading about Randi's opinions and start making your own.

THERE IS NO GOD.

How's that?

[Vex]

THERE IS NO GOD.

Because MY god killed him/her/it, making your life more enjoyable and less sheep-like.

Go and live in peace, my friend.

[Jakedubbleya]

1: How is creationism thinking for yourself? Oh thats right, its not. Its accepting what someone else told you.

now i realize that yall are a bunch of math nerds etc, but there is a school of thought you might want to look into; philosophy, logical lines CAN be drawn to creationism, or at least einstein (amongst others of scientific thought) thought so

now in all your responces i did not notice a proof (or even a trace of evidence) of how matter and energy came into existance. so what exactly was the point of all those posts? to prove that the scientific method is superior? that because you are ignorant of the ways philosophy is thought out (not through blind faith i assure you) that you must be right with an irrelevant equation? as if philosophy is blind to science?

my lord we are cocky.

[Vex]

now in all your responces i did not notice a proof (or even a trace of evidence) of how matter and energy came into existance. so what exactly was the point of all those posts? to prove that the scientific method is superior? that because you are ignorant of the ways philosophy is thought out (not through blind faith i assure you) that you must be right with an irrelevant equation? as if philosophy is blind to science?

my lord we are cocky.

Hmm, matter cannot be created or destroyed; BUT, if it comes together to form something else--it's still there, just in a different form right?

Ice melts and turns into water--but it's still the same matter, just in a different form. Same thing for when the water evaporates and turns into a gas--just because you cannot see it, doesn't mean it is not there.

Open up your minds--there is a lot to discover. Faith and spirituality have squat to do with organized religion. Religion is a tool--created and abused by man in order to keep the flock in line.

[Jakedubbleya]

Hmm, matter cannot be created or destroyed; BUT, if it comes together to form something else--it's still there, just in a different form right?

Ice melts and turns into water--but it's still the same matter, just in a different form. Same thing for when the water evaporates and turns into a gas--just because you cannot see it, doesn't mean it is not there.

Open up your minds--there is a lot to discover. Faith and spirituality have squat to do with organized religion. Religion is a tool--created and abused by man in order to keep the flock in line.

solve for us then the mystery of time, if matter/energy could have always existed if that is the case (a leap of faith in itself).

through my studies of religion and human thought, i have found that many of the best men and women to ever live were of the church (the saints). I view it as more than an explanation of the universe, but also as a guide to humanity, my humanity. I know that the greatest man I ever met is a monk in california, he looks past himself and serves others to a degree i cant even comprehend, and he isnt some drooling depressed zealot, he is a brilliant man with ideas and the largest heart i know. People that serve themselves, that try to solve the universe for themselves always turn out a little crooked, that is why i follow it, through the example and evidence that the perfect life can be lived by following "mans organized religion". That is evidence for me enough. That doesnt mean i dont question, the church encourages questioning, how could a true institution hold firm otherwise? it doesnt claim to know everything, just what it needs to know. the theologians, they didnt "obey" they questioned, and came up with much of the philosophical, theological and SCIENTIFIC truths we still hold today, and yes, thay found that those truths were in correspondance with the ancient teachings of the church, and judaism before that.

no, i dont want to get into a religious debate of any sort, but to say that believing in god through an organized religion (or guide if you would take it as such) is "closed minded" is well, closed minded.

[Kellen_p8nt]

for one canging the definition of science as was proposed by some kasnians(sp?) is insane or stupid one of the two, im not sure which.

Secondly Jake, Of which camp of philosophy are you refering to? What philosophers?

Because I can start ratteling off some of the most brilliant philosophers that did not believe in a God and could show why.

Also it seems inherently possible that infinitude is "the superior thing" of the universe thus allowing matter time and energy to live forever. Infinity could be a principle holding it all together. It also could be the concept of change and effect. Was it Hume? I think that disscused the movement of two object, colliding and the 2nd ball moving. We see the first ball move, hit, then the second ball move. We never see cause and effect, we empirically see ove hit move. However we derive the exitence of some principle from these events that could be whats holding everything together. This seems logical because if we ever wanted to get 0 kelvin we would have to stop cause and effect. And if we hit 0 kelvin then we the universe simply wont exist or be able to resume itself.

Is it possible a God exists? Yea sure. God is a theory, a non scientific one. On that cannot be tested. And let us not forget that most all practices of this nture sprung from philosophy. And in a philosophical sense claims can be built up and destroyed by counter evidence. If ntot hen well Marxwas right and COmmunism is great and I KNOW alot of people on this boards would go crazy hearing that.

[SpitFire1299]

Is it possible a God exists? Yea sure. God is a theory, a non scientific one. On that cannot be tested.

It depends who your talking to. God to me is someone who I can look up to and follow on the path to righteousness. I dont test my faith or try to proof others wrong. Sure.. God is something that cannot be tested but it can be believed remorselessly. My faith cannot be proven wrong, because its what I truley believe. (Faith means "Indeed/truley")

[NJPaint]

solve for us then the mystery of time, if matter/energy could have always existed if that is the case (a leap of faith in itself).

through my studies of religion and human thought, i have found that many of the best men and women to ever live were of the church (the saints). I view it as more than an explanation of the universe, but also as a guide to humanity, my humanity. I know that the greatest man I ever met is a monk in california, he looks past himself and serves others to a degree i cant even comprehend, and he isnt some drooling depressed zealot, he is a brilliant man with ideas and the largest heart i know. People that serve themselves, that try to solve the universe for themselves always turn out a little crooked, that is why i follow it, through the example and evidence that the perfect life can be lived by following "mans organized religion". That is evidence for me enough. That doesnt mean i dont question, the church encourages questioning, how could a true institution hold firm otherwise? it doesnt claim to know everything, just what it needs to know. the theologians, they didnt "obey" they questioned, and came up with much of the philosophical, theological and SCIENTIFIC truths we still hold today, and yes, thay found that those truths were in correspondance with the ancient teachings of the church, and judaism before that.

no, i dont want to get into a religious debate of any sort, but to say that believing in god through an organized religion (or guide if you would take it as such) is "closed minded" is well, closed minded.

But that is your assuption that the ultimate human being is to live fore others and to be a "good person" and selfless. While I agree entirely with you and came to that conclusion through a entirely different path, I recognize that it isn't the end all and I might be wrong.

[Jakedubbleya]

kellen i was simply referring to philosophy as a whole, i understand that most philosophers come to different ends. I was making just that point, that philosophy is cross referenced disproven, reproven and lost many times over. Also note that the god of the jews is not infinite, he is infinite in many aspects, yes, but not the all encompassing infinite you imply.

NJ, that is an assumption that if i found to be false would seriously disrupt me, i admit. i know how i feel about others, that is my state of mind, my sanity, to ever accept that i would be happyest by serving myself would cross a lot of barriers i have already defined. I know what is right in MY mind. Call me a compassionate soul but bein a happy helper is my ultimate.

[Jaan]

my lord we are cocky.

The first time I read that I read it as "My Lord is cocky." lol It does seem strange that, of the couple of hundred gods I'm aware of, man rarely invents a god greater than man himself. Most have the manors of a spoiled child. That, I think, is the best proof against an omnipotent being.

You know, this whole Flying Spaghetti Monster thing reminds me of getting in trouble when I was in Catholic school. My friends and I would produce comic books ourselves, and we had a series where we worshiped the Green M&M. Boy, did we get it when the penguins found out about *that* little blasphemy. Or was it idolatry? paganism? I get my metaphysical nomenclature mixed up sometimes ...

Yea and God said to Abraham, "You will kill your son Issac." And Abraham said, "I can't hear you, you'll have to speak into the microphone." And God said, "Oh I'm sorry, Is this better? Check, check, check... Jerry, pull the high end out, I'm still getting some hiss back here."