So.. my house was broken into

**Lohman446** · 08-16-2005, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by Crighton

It's also a very common place for people to store small valuable items. Really not an oddity that thieves would look there.

You are right of course, it just threw me that it seemed to be the only place they bothered to look

**Muzikman** · 08-16-2005, 08:57 AM

If you can place them in a drawer, why could you not place them in the safe?

**Lohman446** · 08-16-2005, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by Muzikman

If you can place them in a drawer, why could you not place them in the safe?

Because somedays I'm an idiot - realistically the reason is this. The drawer is out of reach of my children. 95% of the time I leave the house both those guns come with me. I happened to be going out to have a few drinks - so they stayed home.

Could my actions have been better? Obviously

Do my actions justify the illegal actions of someone else? No...

**Muzikman** · 08-16-2005, 09:47 AM

Having been raised with guns I have always been taught, with fire arms, expect the worst. That's pretty much all I am saying.

**Target Practice** · 08-16-2005, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by Lohman446

two small carryable pistols - effective range about 25 feet

8 yards? Come on now.

**Lohman446** · 08-16-2005, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by Target Practice

8 yards? Come on now.

A study by the San Diego? police department and the FBI after a string of fatal stabbings of police officers revealed most trained police officers - with full size duty arms - only hit 20% of the time at 20 feet and less when engaged in combat with there firearms.

**Cameo** · 08-16-2005, 03:38 PM

Me thinks that if I actually had valuables in my house then I would actually have to lock the door... then I would lose the key and break in myslef, causeing damage. Then me being as independent as I am I would try to repair the deamage myslef causing more harm to my shack (for those of you that know me think "door handles on bathroom"). In turn it would probley fall down due to the stress of my fixing and I would be without a shack over my head for when it rains..
therfore, I have nothing of value in my house...except for my ice crusher, you touch that and I will have your head...

any word yet Loham?

**Lohman446** · 08-16-2005, 04:05 PM

The person I assumed did it was still in youth camp from last year (for stealing my car).

Considering I have no neighbors my neighborhood sucks. I am now looking at a perimeter security system and a new pistol....

**Jaan** · 08-16-2005, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by Lohman446

Because somedays I'm an idiot - realistically the reason is this. The drawer is out of reach of my children. 95% of the time I leave the house both those guns come with me. I happened to be going out to have a few drinks - so they stayed home.

Could my actions have been better? Obviously

Do my actions justify the illegal actions of someone else? No...

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to flame you or anything but something's been in the back of my mind since I read this yesterday and I need to get it off my chest.

For 8 years I suffered through Bubba Clinton, the "assault weapons" ban and the Million Mamma March. I voted *against" Al Gore and one of the major reasons was his stance on gun ownership. I live in the People's Republic of Massachusetts, a state with some of the harshest, if not *the* harshest, anti gun laws. I work right in the middle of a rabidly liberal city and I have to put up with gun owners being mentioned in the same breath as terrorists. Through all this I've stuck to my guns, both philosophically and literally.

However, right now there are two handguns and a shotgun in the hands of criminals. The Democrats and their misguided laws didn't do it, the N.R.A. and their "gun show loopholes" didn't do it, all the liberal propaganda and conservative catch phrase bumper stickers in the world had nothing to do with it. It was the simple inaction of a legal gun owner that did it. I'm sorry but that just bothers the hell out of me. Quite frankly, it's chilling, and for the first time I can see where the ainti's are coming from.

**Muzikman** · 08-16-2005, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by Cameo

Me thinks that if I actually had valuables in my house then I would actually have to lock the door... then I would lose the key and break in myslef, causeing damage. Then me being as independent as I am I would try to repair the deamage myslef causing more harm to my shack (for those of you that know me think "door handles on bathroom"). In turn it would probley fall down due to the stress of my fixing and I would be without a shack over my head for when it rains..
therfore, I have nothing of value in my house...except for my ice crusher, you touch that and I will have your head...

any word yet Loham?

And my bike I hope!

**Muzikman** · 08-16-2005, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by Jaan

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to flame you or anything but something's been in the back of my mind since I read this yesterday and I need to get it off my chest.

For 8 years I suffered through Bubba Clinton, the "assault weapons" ban and the Million Mamma March. I voted *against" Al Gore and one of the major reasons was his stance on gun ownership. I live in the People's Republic of Massachusetts, a state with some of the harshest, if not *the* harshest, anti gun laws. I work right in the middle of a rabidly liberal city and I have to put up with gun owners being mentioned in the same breath as terrorists. Through all this I've stuck to my guns, both philosophically and literally.

However, right now there are two handguns and a shotgun in the hands of criminals. The Democrats and their misguided laws didn't do it, the N.R.A. and their "gun show loopholes" didn't do it, all the liberal propaganda and conservative catch phrase bumper stickers in the world had nothing to do with it. It was the simple inaction of a legal gun owner that did it. I'm sorry but that just bothers the hell out of me. Quite frankly, it's chilling, and for the first time I can see where the ainti's are coming from.

I kinda agree.

You can't blame criminals for something that you could have avoided. If my wallet gets stolen out of my car, as much as I would hate the person who took it, it was my fault for leaving it there in the first place.

**Eagle** · 08-16-2005, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by Muzikman

I kinda agree.

You can't blame criminals for something that you could have avoided. If my wallet gets stolen out of my car, as much as I would hate the person who took it, it was my fault for leaving it there in the first place.

What do you mean you can't blame the criminals? It's one thing if you leave something out in public, but as a person who lives in a house without kids, I should be able to leave my weapons and valuables out in my own house. I should not have to lock these things up. Thats what I have door locks for.

**Lohman446** · 08-16-2005, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by Muzikman

I kinda agree.

You can't blame criminals for something that you could have avoided. If my wallet gets stolen out of my car, as much as I would hate the person who took it, it was my fault for leaving it there in the first place.

Well I understand what you are saying what of the scenario where your wallet is in your glove box and your doors are locked?

**Alley** · 08-16-2005, 07:00 PM

Eh, I know where you are coming from. Last thursday I had my car broken into sitting in my driveway....

They only managed to get about 8 bucks, mostly in change, they stole my bag I take to work. Which didnt have anything of value to anyone other than myself. Where I Could care a less about the 8 bucks, and they could care a less about my personal stuff in my bag. It is what I miss the most. Now, Im sure its sitting in the bottom of a land fill somewhere ..... I still feel angry because of it. But, like everyone else its my fault for not locking my car ....I suppose I asked for it, but, I'm still angry about it!

**Resurection** · 08-16-2005, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by Jaan

However, right now there are two handguns and a shotgun in the hands of criminals. The Democrats and their misguided laws didn't do it, the N.R.A. and their "gun show loopholes" didn't do it, all the liberal propaganda and conservative catch phrase bumper stickers in the world had nothing to do with it. It was the simple inaction of a legal gun owner that did it. I'm sorry but that just bothers the hell out of me. Quite frankly, it's chilling, and for the first time I can see where the ainti's are coming from.

The only thing you did in that comment was prove the fact that gun control laws are not a solution to the problem. Laws only control the good people. Bad people will do whatever regardless of the control laws.

I agree with Chris Rock "...F*** gun control, what we need is bullet control..."

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