Wow.....

[Muzikman]

Every time there is a group of people and the police try to break it up someone goes yelling that they were not part of the problem, there were just there.

I head this when there were riots in Boston after the World Series. If you were there, even if you were not flipping cars and starting fires, you were part of the problem, don't cry if you get gassed.

I think the same goes for this. I am sure they were not ALL leaving peacefully and I am sure the few who were not made things worse for everyone.

People seem to think cops like going into these types of situations, I assure you, they do not.

[Cameo]

BUT, This was done on PRIVATE property with the owner's consent.

Private property means nothing.. You can have your property zoned for this or that. Just because you own it does not mean that you are permitted to build or do whatever you want with it... Areas within a 20 mile radious of the base and the flight plan have special ordinaces of what is and isn't allowed.. I would wager that a concert did not fall into those ordinaces... according to my father you have to have a certain number of square feet for each person, even on private property (including churches). And there is to be no events or construction that would bring more people into that area. He gave me the exaple of when my home church decided they were going to start a christain school and build a gym type structure. This was strictly not allowed cause it was seen as a recreation that could bring more than the number of people to the property then the ordinace allowed. They were already maxed out with the 2 church building i the acreage area permitted...
It all makes sence to me. why would you want 1,500 people in an area where planes and such normally fly over and possibly practice certain manuvers??

[Muzikman]

I just looked up the location on a topo map (topozone.com) and I doubt the reason for the raid had anything to do with flight patterns of USAF jets. The place isn't anywhere near an USAF base.

[SCpoloRicker]

>1,500 people at illegal gathering, most of whom one would assume are intoxicated.

That's a police force nightmare.

Not saying there may have been abuses, there very well might have been.

[Cameo]

I just looked up the location on a topo map (topozone.com) and I doubt the reason for the raid had anything to do with flight patterns of USAF jets. The place isn't anywhere near an USAF base.

their flight paths go east through ogden, logan, weber canyons(davis and weber counties) as well as west to salt flats.. they then head south twards the Provo,Orem area, Mt Nebo and Spanish fork area (utah county)..... Just going on what my father told me...
I emailed some of my friends in Utah too see what was up.... I was told that raves have started to get outta hand to the point that 20 something year olds tend to shy away from them and they are pretty much for the teenagers.. One friend of mine said this
"You have 2 kinds of young generation here in Utah, you have the extreeme drugged out punks, or you have the str8 edge/high nosed mormons. I have found it better to take trips to Colorado or Vegas if I want to see a band. Around here it is just to dangerous. Even going to the Delta Center/SL ampitheater is not worth it. To many drugs/underagers."
BTW, where was this at specifically?does not say in the origonal article.
*edit*
ok i found it.. it was in the said Utah county(spanish fork) area... silly people thinking they can do anything other than sing like the tabrinacle choir in that county. It is ruled by BYU... I am now thinking that has something to do with it, but I imagine that they can still use the flight path as legal reason to.. One of thie biggest problems with that area is the Mormon population is so big, sheriffs and elected officials who do this type of thing are heald very high because they are "protecting"...You will not see someone voted into office that would act differently.

[Ov3rmind]

I emailed some of my friends in Utah too see what was up.... I was told that raves have started to get outta hand to the point that 20 something year olds tend to shy away from them and they are pretty much for the teenagers.. One friend of mine said this
"You have 2 kinds of young generation here in Utah, you have the extreeme drugged out punks, or you have the str8 edge/high nosed mormons. I have found it better to take trips to Colorado or Vegas if I want to see a band. Around here it is just to dangerous. Even going to the Delta Center/SL ampitheater is not worth it. To many drugs/underagers."

Eh, there's no more drugs than in any other state. And Mormons and Straight Edge kids are two very different things. I'm not entirely sure how this state is more dangerous than any other to see concerts/bands.

[Cameo]

Eh, there's no more drugs than in any other state. And Mormons and Straight Edge kids are two very different things. I'm not entirely sure how this state is more dangerous than any other to see concerts/bands.

That is the personal opinion of someone who has lived thier all thier life...(notice the quotes). and I know str8 edge and Mormons are very different types.. But remember that through the Mormon culture no alchol, cigarettes, or caffine is allowed.. that is pretty str8 edge to me.
*edit* i think what he is getting at is there are alot of rebeller type kids that just take it to the extreeme.. when you grow up so limited on what is right, so limited on who you are allowed to associate with (don't tell me this is not true, we were the one baptist family on our road~ and shunned expect for one kind and caring family), you are going to rebel when you get to the age where you can drive..
I grew up there, I go back multiple times a year, and have a daily correspondance with friends that are still there...I understand what my friend is getting at.. And if I hadn't moved somewhere else then I would have never noticed it all. It was a complete culture shock moving outta state.

[Ov3rmind]

That is the personal opinion of someone who has lived thier all thier life...(notice the quotes). and I know str8 edge and Mormons are very different types.. But remember that through the Mormon culture no alchol, cigarettes, or caffine is allowed.. that is pretty str8 edge to me.
*edit* i think what he is getting at is there are alot of rebeller type kids that just take it to the extreeme.. when you grow up so limited on what is right, so limited on who you are allowed to associate with (don't tell me this is not true, we were the one baptist family on our road~ and shunned expect for one kind and caring family), you are going to rebel when you get to the age where you can drive..
I grew up there, I go back multiple times a year, and have a daily correspondance with friends that are still there...I understand what my friend is getting at.. And if I hadn't moved somewhere else then I would have never noticed it all. It was a complete culture shock moving outta state.

It's not enough of a difference to make concerts any more dangerous than other states though. And trust me, straight edge is nothing like the Mormon religion. Generally speaking, most straight edge people are Agnostic or Atheist (and most of them openly hate the church, which actively tries to shut down venues they run). There are a lot of rebellious kids, but the amount that take it to an extreme is very small. I moved here 7 years ago, and go to concerts on a weekly basis (I have been to pretty much every venue in the Salt Lake area). There is a lot of religious pressure, but the retaliation is words 99.999% of the time. And if you want perspective, I have lived in two other states and another country (as well as visiting relatives in Florida and Ohio on a yearly basis).

Your friend's opinion on this seems like a lot of people's in this state, based out of what the newspapers and Fox report. These outlets both sensationalize and exaggerate events to an incredible degree. First hand experience shows something much different than what local media portrays.