american flag

[UTDragun]

The car with the upside down flag was just some liberals crying about the nation being in peril because there is a republican in office. Next time run them off the road.

at least we have friends in texas! go UT, both of them!

[slade]

Why cant wee be friends

because our nation is in distress

[M98Punk]

First I would apoligize for the swearing...generally I just let the filter take it out I've never had a problem with that till now. Is it really necessary to say that swearing is a sign of poor upbringing or education? If anything isn't it a sign of emotional respose that overwhelms elaborate thought? BUUUUT I'm curious as to why it's unacceptable to fly a flag at half mass Is it because it's not proper blah blah blah like burning a flag and such? Because people talk about how both are unacceptable but yet they never classified the perversion of America that is the Confederate Flag...now as a person of poor upbringing and education I know that the Confederates figuratively tore apart the flag of the Union taking their share of the stars and bars so really a Confederate flag is a shredded American flag... But I know somehow it's become a sign of states right (by people that have never read the Confederate Constitution obviously) So yeah when your gonna go after mcdonalds for honoring a dead guy why not go after Jimbo Skinhead and his good ole boys why you are at it.

[Army]

Apology accepted.

The CSA Battle Flag, the Southern Cross, is just that, the flag flown on the battlefield to rally troops. Elongated, it served as the CSA Naval Jack. It is NOT the national flag of the CSA. To call it an "perversion" actually does show the lack of education you have recieved about the War Between The States.

The "Stars And Bars", the official National Flag of the CSA, consisted of a circle of 7 white stars on a field of blue, against red stripes top and bottom, and one white stripe in the center. Stars were added as more states seceded from the Union. As the war raged on, new National flags were adopted that incorporated the Southern Cross on a white field. The very first CSA flag, was a simple blue field, with a lone white star centered (Texas still uses the star on blue)

That racist and subversive groups have used the Southern Cross as their symbol, says nothing about the honor and bravery of those men that fought and died for their version of America. Do NOT compare radical, evil groups with the good Soldiers that held the battle flag high.

As for flying at Half-Mast, only heads of state may be so honored. Anytime they are lowered for anyone else, is wrong.

[tropical_fishy]

That racist and subversive groups have used the Southern Cross as their symbol, says nothing about the honor and bravery of those men that fought and died for their version of America. Do NOT compare radical, evil groups with the good Soldiers that held the battle flag high.

Just out of curiousity, don't you think that those groups have perverted, twisted, and misrepresented the reason for the flag to the point where it's no longer a symbol of the aspirations of the South and is now more of a testimony to the racism that still runs rampant? I've never lived in the South, I don't know-- why do people still fly it? To remember what the South fought for, or for racist and subversive reasons?

[Army]

Just out of curiousity, don't you think that those groups have perverted, twisted, and misrepresented the reason for the flag to the point where it's no longer a symbol of the aspirations of the South and is now more of a testimony to the racism that still runs rampant? I've never lived in the South, I don't know-- why do people still fly it? To remember what the South fought for, or for racist and subversive reasons?

The battle flag is flown by those that still believe that the true reason for the war was just.

Ignorant people that see it, and instantly think "racist". Which means they have been force fed the wrong history of the war. The war had nothing to do with slavery (recall that Lincoln did not "free" the southern slaves until 1863). There is real racism everywhere, not just the American south. The flag represents nothing more than honor on the battlefield.

Again, that rotten lousy people fly it solely to provoke that angry response, is sad.

[tropical_fishy]

The battle flag is flown by those that still believe that the true reason for the war was just.

Ignorant people that see it, and instantly think "racist". Which means they have been force fed the wrong history of the war. The war had nothing to do with slavery (recall that Lincoln did not "free" the southern slaves until 1863). There is real racism everywhere, not just the American south. The flag represents nothing more than honor on the battlefield.

Again, that rotten lousy people fly it solely to provoke that angry response, is sad.

I realize the war had nothing to do with slavery. I don't think I'm ignorant, but I do think of racism when I see the flag-- I think of the KKK, and all the awful things that have been done under the banner of the Southern Cross. I guess that was my actual question... have all the bad things that have happened that have twisted the symbol in our minds made it an innappropriate thing to fly?

[Recon by Fire]

I think the ignorant ones are those who fly it as a symbol of their racism and instead do not even understand the actual symbolism.

I'm a displaced Yankee living in the South (well, Texas anyway).

[Army]

I realize the war had nothing to do with slavery. I don't think I'm ignorant, but I do think of racism when I see the flag-- I think of the KKK, and all the awful things that have been done under the banner of the Southern Cross. I guess that was my actual question... have all the bad things that have happened that have twisted the symbol in our minds made it an innappropriate thing to fly?

No. Many things not exactly "kosher" have been commited under the flag of the USA (genocide of the Indians etc), which does not diminish what the flag represents.

The KKK began as an honorable society to protect their way of life from northern "carpet-baggers"....that went horribly bad soon after.
Skinheads use the flag for its shock value, the same way they use the Swastika symbol and flags.

Real rednecks fly the flag out of American Southern Pride, not racism.

[Recon by Fire]

Only certain flavors of BS are allowed now?

YES, the kind that is not disrespectful to the country that offers us so much.

[tropical_fishy]

YES, the kind that is not disrespectful to the country that offers us so much.

Bah. We have just as much a right to spout our BS as you do. You know what's disrespectful and goes against what this country stands for? Silencing someone because you don't like what they stand for.

Just sayin'.

[M98Punk]

I stand corrected, it has been a few years since I studied Civil War ear American history, I concentrate on Colonial to Revolution America...I actually dug thru my War and Peace notes and althought I didn't find the exact notes I confused a Confederate speech with fact...it was a solider that said we have taken our share.... But to say that the CSA was for states rights is as much a sham as saying Lincoln freed the slaves.

[Recon by Fire]

Bah. We have just as much a right to spout our BS as you do. You know what's disrespectful and goes against what this country stands for? Silencing someone because you don't like what they stand for.

Just sayin'.

I was being cynical :) He or anyone else can spout any BS they like, but disrespectful BS falls on my deaf ears.


YOUR WELCOME to those who would offer up disrespectful BS because I and others have fought and protected your rights to do so. Give that some thought next time you disrespect an icon of OUR nation.

[tropical_fishy]

I was being cynical :) He or anyone else can spout any BS they like, but disrespectful BS falls on my deaf ears.


YOUR WELCOME to those who would offer up disrespectful BS because I and others have fought and protected your rights to do so. Give that some thought next time you disrespect an icon of OUR nation.

I haven't said anything about disrespecting our flag. I asked army about the Southern Cross. That was the extent of my participation in the topic. But while I have no need for the glorified drama that is burning the flag or otherwise disrespecting it, some people feel that's the ideal way to make their point. I realize that the flag is sacred to a lot of people, but flag burning IS legal. The Supreme Court has upheld that some forms of symbolic speech are legal, flag burning one of them. Maybe I'm naive, but isn't that what you fought for? Our right to be complete imbeciles if we so choose? For America, and the system of government that we have? If that is what you fought for (and I'm not about to tell you that it is), you should consider having more respect for the people out there that don't share your opinion. You don't have to agree with me when I say that I dislike Bush a great deal, and I don't have to agree with you if you say you dislike ________ a great deal. But forbidding my-- or your-- right to say it is wrong. How is it different if someone's way of saying, "I don't agree with the way this country is going" is to burn the flag in a public forum?

[hardr0ck68]

I was being cynical :) He or anyone else can spout any BS they like, but disrespectful BS falls on my deaf ears.


YOUR WELCOME to those who would offer up disrespectful BS because I and others have fought and protected your rights to do so. Give that some thought next time you disrespect an icon of OUR nation.

Just one sec, I need clarification. Because you were in some form of service to the nation you expect me and or others to read your disrespectful BS, but when I reply in a similarly idiotic manner my statements are to be disregarded?

Army: I wonder what exactly did the Confederacy stand for?

EDIT: yeah i use spell check, and i got sloppy wounded instead of wonder...my bad