the biggest ROFL ive gotten all year

[Glickman]

you have to have seen the commercial first though...

[Indignant]

bahahaha :tup: to PA

[Pyroboy597]

That commeercial was very strange, esecially when the asian lady who was supposedly a digital camera walked over and accounced that she works with a Mac.. as if digital cameras won't hook up to a PC>

[Glickman]

That commeercial was very strange, esecially when the asian lady who was supposedly a digital camera walked over and accounced that she works with a Mac.. as if digital cameras won't hook up to a PC>

well that was supposed to be about how PC's arent compliant with some hardware.

im a tech at computer renaissance and the only thing i see macs being more "compliant" with is languages and printers (which have disks with them already) since they install them during OSX installation.

[Cow hunter]

supposedly the new macs are absoultley great machines, but i feel macs just dont have the ease of customability that PC's do

[Pyroboy597]

When I think Mac, the last thing I think is a fast, high performance machine. I think an easy to use, but generally low power computer.

Even though I cannot stand them, I give them credit for being easy to comprehend if you are computer stupid (which I am far from :P)

/nevermind
//macs should die
///anyone remember that fake mac commercial that was made? i forget what it was called, but it was on the internet for a while
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[CoolHand]

Well, I've lived with the Mac V PC debate ever since it began, since my old man has been a Mac user ever since they first arrived.

Basically, what you have on an MAC now is a super secure version of Unix running on very well made hardware. That is why they are so bulletproof, and this is also why they are so expensive. There are no downsides other than cost, and that people just don't know anything about them and assume they must suck.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm typing this out on a PC, but mostly because I know the good parts to buy, and I have to have someplace to run AutoCAD.

At work, I use a G5 Mac, and I gotta say that I have not had a single problem with it. It's damned fast, stable, and you never have any issues with compatibility. We have a network at the office, Apple Air Ports and a single 10BaseT switch. Macs plug right in, see everyone, including the PC's, no problems at all. Windows machines, plug right in, see the internet, but need special drivers to see the Macs. If there is a compatibility problem, I think it's more on the PC side of things, not the Macs, as they talk to the PC, read, write, and behave normally with them over the network, whereas the PC just refuses to do anything without special software.

I do dislike the "I-Life" thing that Mac has going on, where everything is automatic, controlled by one big translucent button. That's fine for people who have no technical know how, but when I do something, very rarely do the "typical" settings cut it. I like to tweak, and sometimes I'm forced to tweak to get what I want out of a piece of software (because sometimes I end up using things in a manner other than they were designed to be used, and that requires tinkerability). That is lacking in some of that "I-Ware", but so long as you know that going in, you can just make alternate arrangements (like buying software that isn't "I'ed").

Also, on the virus thing, back in the day, there were no viruses because no one cared. Now, there are no good exploits because the Unix kernel in inherently more secure. There are no loopholes into places from which you can wreak havoc like in Windows. It's totally different in there, very secure, locked down you might say, almost to the point of being cumbersome some times. But, that means very little in the way of malware problems, because they have no exploits with which to get in.

The one thing I think the Mac is truly lacking is a 100% compatible internet browser. Safari is pretty good, but a lot of things just don't work in it. Same with FireFox, and MS stopped IE for Mac at version 5.5 or 5.7 or some such. Fix that, and there isn't much else wrong.

And for the no software argument, that's been gone for a decade now. Every single major program out there has a Mac variant, except for AutoDesk and the really specialized stuff like ProE or MasterCAM.

At work I use a drafting program called PowerCADD, and I gotta say, for architectural drawings, it is 500% better than AutoCAD, and I have used AutoCAD a lot. For mechanical or engineering drawings I still like AutoCAD better, but for doing prints to build a building from, PowerCADD basically doesn't have an equal, especially for the price.

See, we can have an intelligent discussion about Macs and PC's without curse words or calling one another "Noobs".

[SpecialBlend2786]

I like macs but I like PC's too.

I own a PC cause i can find more games for it and in general they are cheaper.

But I like macs for other reasons.

[tribalman]

bahahaha :tup: to PA

first off, this was done by CTRL+ALT+DEL by Tim Buckley. and yes, funny comercial and funny parody.

///anyone remember that fake mac commercial that was made? i forget what it was called, but it was on the internet for a while

are you talking about the Mac gamers ad? that was done by the wonderful gentelmen at Rooster Teeth Productions. "there are tons of fun games on the Mac. dig dug, that cool puzzle game with the apple logo. i beat it, but it's still fun......(underbreath)...photoshop."

interestingly enough, i actually quoted that to some friends not to long ago!

[Pyroboy597]

Yea that would be the one. Funniest thing I had seen all week when I saw that.

[mag_lover05]

i think the asain lady (the digital camera) was supposed to show that mac's are the best thing for media.

and they are, as far as pictures, and photoshop, and editing movie clips and such, mac's are the best.

and with the new dual processors.... omfg they rock.

go to any college or high school and go look in the multi media room....what do you find? huge mac's.

[WaffleBaron]

go to any college or high school and go look in the multi media room....what do you find? huge mac's.

Not here. We have a dual Opteron running 6800 GT's in SLI pushing out to an 8'x6' projection screen in 3D with dual polarized projectors. Pretty neat for playing fps games but the glasses skew the colors.

[Hexis]

I'm a mac guy now. I was never a fan before OSX, but being the geek that I am, when a new and far better tool comes out, I have little loyalty for an outdated tool. I use my mac for photo work primarily. I plan to keep a PC (or an XP install on an dual boot Intel mac if/when I get one) for gaming. My wife has completly given up on her PC. Her parents want one after seeing some of the things iPhoto can do. So, Mac = good IMHO.

Basically, what you have on an MAC now is a super secure version of Unix running on very well made hardware. That is why they are so bulletproof, and this is also why they are so expensive. There are no downsides other than cost, and that people just don't know anything about them and assume they must suck.

Wrong. OSX is a based on a BSD kernal. It's no more secure than FreeBSD or other BSD flavors of *nix. In fact it's slighty less secure due to some easy of use choices Apple has made. Remember, a system is only as secure as it's weakest links, and there are a lot of weak links in apps that run on unix platforms.

There are downsides other than cost. Software avaliability is one. There are some killer mac only apps. Games are almost completly absent on OSX. CAD/Modeling apps are limited. MS has an Office suite for OSX< but it's missing Visio and Access. There are alternatives, but that's no substitute for compatability.

One more error I need to point out:

Also, on the virus thing, back in the day, there were no viruses because no one cared. Now, there are no good exploits because the Unix kernel in inherently more secure. There are no loopholes into places from which you can wreak havoc like in Windows. It's totally different in there, very secure, locked down you might say, almost to the point of being cumbersome some times. But, that means very little in the way of malware problems, because they have no exploits with which to get in.

Also wrong: Apple Security Update 2006-003. That update and the reciently released Quicktime 7.1 addressed 43 software serious software flaws. There are plenty of 'sploits out for OSX. The lack of market share is protective. The unix kernal and other portions of the OS do help keep it more secure than Windows. OSX is perfect. There are loopholes. There are some things that help mitigate these issues. For example it's quite feasable to use a mac, without being an admin on the box. When you need to do something that requires administrative access, you can provide a username and password for an admin on the box, for just that action. There is no reasonable way to accomplish this in Windows.

Macs are great. They are my tool of choice for anything I can get use one for. They do have a much better security model than windows. The *nix core helps a lot in the security relm. They are also quite stable due to a real seperation from kernal mode and user mode software. There is very little that can go wrong enough with an app, that you need to reboot.

However, They are not a perfect choice in all cases. They are not perfectly secure. They do have limited software avaliability. The real seperation of user mode and kernal mode adds a lot of performance overhead, which leads to the view that Macs are slow. It's not fully deserved, but it's true for the most part. Then again Win95 is faster than XP, and you don't see many people running 95 anymore. They are expensive.

[Glickman]

I plan to keep a PC (or an XP install on an dual boot Intel mac if/when I get one) for gaming. My wife has completly given up on her PC. Her parents want one after seeing some of the things iPhoto can do. So, Mac = good IMHO.

for now though, the OS's are unable to communicate with each other which i think is really stupid.

in the end though, you have to give apple props for making something on a 455mhz osx base that will keep up with a 1.5 ghz windows based machine

[Hexis]

for now though, the OS's are unable to communicate with each other which i think is really stupid.

You mean the two OSes on a dual boot system? Or something else?

in the end though, you have to give apple props for making something on a 455mhz osx base that will keep up with a 1.5 ghz windows based machine

That's true. My 1GHz Powerbook is still doing well, and it's nearly 4 years old.