From WWII to Current (photo)

[magman007]

Thats what he was saying, is that its harder for the F18 to fly THAT slow. and we know it can stay like that, but whats the fun.

you wanna blow some windows out right?

but really, it isnt hard for it to fly that slow... thats what im saying. and by no means, is 424 slow, the speed of sound at sea level is around 760mph...

[rkjunior303]

man, i love those P-51s.

[Steelrat]

man, i love those P-51s.

I do to, but what constantly amazes me in that picture is the F-22. The lines look so clean, and yet it looks the same way with it's normal combat load, since everything is carried internally.

Has anyone else seen the video of the F-22 aerial display. The plane performed manuevers that were just mindboggling.

[Steelrat]

Here is my idea of modern-WW2 retro:



Splash one Zero!

ITS THE FINAL COUNTDOWN!! Do Do Do Do, Do Do Do Do Do, Do Do Do Do , Do Do Do Do Do...

[Muzikman]

Planes, planes, and more planes!







ok, so I just wanted to show off some of my photos from last years air show (the watermark is wrong).

[rkjunior303]

Has anyone else seen the video of the F-22 aerial display. The plane performed manuevers that were just mindboggling.

it has engine nozzles that move, like the Mig-29 right?

[Steelrat]

it has engine nozzles that move, like the Mig-29 right?

Well, the normal Mig-29 doesn't have thrust vectoring, though later models do. Usually, thrust vectoring is associated with the Sukhoi Su-37 (or other Sukhoi birds).

The manuever that stuck out the most in my mind was one where the F-22 started to perform a vertical climb. After a bit of verticle climb, it essentially stopped dead, tipped forwards, and started level flight. At no point did it appear to stall out, drop, or lose control.

As cool as it is, though, hypermanueverability is not what it used to be since the advent of HOBS heaters and HMS. Plus, the F-22 will most probably nail you with an AIM-120 before you even know its there. Or fry your electronics with the radar upgrade they have planned in the next couple of years that turns the radar into an EMP weapon. The Raptor is so scary its not even funny.

[warbeak2099]

ITS THE FINAL COUNTDOWN!! Do Do Do Do, Do Do Do Do Do, Do Do Do Do , Do Do Do Do Do...

OMG, I thought I was the only one who had seen that movie! So good! Kirk Douglas gaaaaaah!!!! What a great movie.

[Steelrat]

OMG, I thought I was the only one who had seen that movie! So good! Kirk Douglas gaaaaaah!!!! What a great movie.

Yeah, it was just a bummer that the planes didn't get to waste the Japanese fleet.

[Konigballer]

"As cool as it is, though, hypermanueverability is not what it used to be since the advent of HOBS heaters and HMS. Plus, the F-22 will most probably nail you with an AIM-120 before you even know its there. Or fry your electronics with the radar upgrade they have planned in the next couple of years that turns the radar into an EMP weapon. The Raptor is so scary its not even funny."



Thats why I hate all this crap! I don't like many aircraft, or air combat history after the Korean War. In WW1, fighter pilots in open cockpit biplanes would sometimes get in so close to their intended kill that blood and/or oil from their opponents would spray their goggled faces. Now THATs combat, not some stupid missle that flys out to kill your opponent before you ever even see him!

[Steelrat]

"As cool as it is, though, hypermanueverability is not what it used to be since the advent of HOBS heaters and HMS. Plus, the F-22 will most probably nail you with an AIM-120 before you even know its there. Or fry your electronics with the radar upgrade they have planned in the next couple of years that turns the radar into an EMP weapon. The Raptor is so scary its not even funny."



Thats why I hate all this crap! I don't like many aircraft, or air combat history after the Korean War. In WW1, fighter pilots in open cockpit biplanes would sometimes get in so close to their intended kill that blood and/or oil from their opponents would spray their goggled faces. Now THATs combat, not some stupid missle that flys out to kill your opponent before you ever even see him!

I'd rather waste my opponent at long range without them knowing I was even there, but thats just me.

[rkjunior303]

Well, the normal Mig-29 doesn't have thrust vectoring, though later models do. Usually, thrust vectoring is associated with the Sukhoi Su-37 (or other Sukhoi birds).

The manuever that stuck out the most in my mind was one where the F-22 started to perform a vertical climb. After a bit of verticle climb, it essentially stopped dead, tipped forwards, and started level flight. At no point did it appear to stall out, drop, or lose control.

As cool as it is, though, hypermanueverability is not what it used to be since the advent of HOBS heaters and HMS. Plus, the F-22 will most probably nail you with an AIM-120 before you even know its there. Or fry your electronics with the radar upgrade they have planned in the next couple of years that turns the radar into an EMP weapon. The Raptor is so scary its not even funny.

i knew it was one of those. i remember seeing an airshow video that showcased that -- it was amazing. i'm trying to find out when the local AFB has their airshow -- it should be soon... i cant find it on their site though.. hoping they have the F22 there.

[Steelrat]

i knew it was one of those. i remember seeing an airshow video that showcased that -- it was amazing. i'm trying to find out when the local AFB has their airshow -- it should be soon... i cant find it on their site though.. hoping they have the F22 there.

F-22 airshow http://semperapollo.com/Quickstart/V...006/Raptor.mpg

EDIT: Just watched it again, and DAMN! In one part, the F-22 pulls a loop, and at the top, while inverted, it essentially turns 180 degrees and completes the loop in a direction perpendicular to the one it started. And in another few scenes, it essentially replicates the famous "cobra" manuever the Russians were so proud of, where the plane is moving forward while the nose is pointed up at a very high AOA.

[rkjunior303]

that's insane.

this is replacing the F15, right?

[Steelrat]

that's insane.

this is replacing the F15, right?

Well, really the F15C, as the Raptor is primarily an air superiority fighter. Too bad we just arent buying enough of them. It's pretty stupid to not just buy a bunch, as the majority of the costs (R&D) have already been paid for.

The F-15E is a great bomb truck. The 22 can carry bombs too, but like the JSF it is capable of penetrating defenses during the early part of a conflict, rather than carrying tons of ordinance.