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  • Lohman446
    Useful posts: 7
    • Jun 2003
    • 9315

    #1

    My new Kimber - first impressions

    There is a pair of long stories involved that ended up with me walking into a situation feeling totally underarmed. Basically I was forced to carry a pistol I do not like that I have almost shot myself with to overcome the feeling of being underarmed for a certain situation. Thankfully the situation never escalated and what I was carrying did not matter.

    But it left me with a bad feeling. I have a few handguns, my primary carry gun is a Sig P229 in 357 SIG. Awesome gun, great stopping power, great magazine capacity, unsurpassed accuracy. Its the perfect handgun - assuming you have it with you. The fact of the matter becomes that it is just a touch too big, too wide, to carry in light clothing. In the winter where it is not out of place to wear a secondary shirt, easy to carry in good leather. The point is at the time I felt I wanted it with me it was sitting in my safe at home and my Beretta .32 was in my pocket.

    I went to the gun store with the intent to buy a baby Glock. I had even settled in my mind to settle for .40 or 9MM. I don't like Glocks, I don't like any gun without an external safety or hammer you have to cock. I don't like either the 9MM or 40 for proven stopping power but the 9MM rounds have come a long way. Its a personal preference thing but again, the need to compromise had been illustrated to me.

    I looked at Glocks, I looked at Springfield XD's, I looked at a couple Brownings. I looked at HKs but they seem to me to only be an inferior version of my Sig with all the same problems as my Sig. Finally I struck on the idea to look at single stack magazine .45s. I looked at quite a few (Para Ordanance, one Wilson Combat that was just too big) and found a Kimber Ultra Carry that I really really liked. A bit pricier than I had in mind but not stupidly so. Now I expected in buying it to give up some accuracy from my Sig, perhaps a noticeable amount. I consoled myself with the theory I was looking at compact carry guns and would be giving up accuracy on any of them compared to a full size Sig of all things. That and I had selected a gun in 45, giving me cheap practice ammo (compared to that of my 357 Sig) and debatably not giving up stopping power. Of course I bought a good holster for it

    WOW.. I like this gun. The trigger pull is clean and crisp, the beavertail safety does not bother me when shooting it (my previous concern with 1911 style pistols). I put 50 rounds of Federal Hydrashock through it and am very impressed with the accuracy of the little pistol. Its not as good as my Sig out to 20 yards but it is very very close and I would dare to hint that it may point better - I didn't go beyond 20 yards, I mean thats a long ways for a pistol in a defensive sense. I know my Sigs good out well beyond that but I know this 230 grain .45 bullet is going to drop like a rock. Still, its filling a need, it rides comfortably in a Bianchi holster, and it conceals well.

    Do I think the Sig in .357 is a better gun in the end? Yeh, I know it is. But the best gun is worthless if its locked away in your safe when you need it. This gun is more than adequate for any self defense role I will call on it for, and will probably replace my Sig as a primary carry gun, maybe even in the winter. I am very impressed with it. Its shortcomings seem to be far less than what I would have thought when I handed over the cash for it
    "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr Suess
  • Steelrat
    I meant to...uh, nevermind
    • May 2003
    • 5375

    #2
    Great purchase, I really like Kimbers. I've been looking at Nighthawks myself. Just remember that using a 1911 as a carry gun requires A LOT more training than a typical gun. First of all, there is the whole matter of carrying it "cocked and locked." If you are not doing that, you might as well not be carrying it, but it requires a good amount of practice to do it safely. A number of holsters have straps just for this form of carry.

    Also, the backstrap will require that you have a good grip on the gun to fire it. Your sig would allow you to be sloppy with the grip.

    I like the .45 accuracy and stopping power. It is a fun round to shoot, without too much recoil, unlike the horrible 10mm. I think the .45 feels even better than the .40. I've thought about using a 1911 as a carry gun, and I still have mixed feelings. I really feel that the best choice is probably a glock or a kahr, though I don't much care for glocks.

    EDIT: I'm also partial to sigs, as I currently own a p228 9mm, p229 .40, and nickel p226 9mm.


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    • Lohman446
      Useful posts: 7
      • Jun 2003
      • 9315

      #3
      Originally posted by Steelrat
      First of all, there is the whole matter of carrying it "cocked and locked." If you are not doing that, you might as well not be carrying it, but it requires a good amount of practice to do it safely. A number of holsters have straps just for this form of carry..
      Expand on this theory for me if you would. There is a manual hammer block safety on the side of the weapon and a firing pin safety on the beavertail safety. I don't see where carrying a .45 cocked and locked is inheretently more dangerous than carrying any loaded gun. I mean, thats my big problem with the Glock (and Kahr) - reasonably short first trigger pulls with no external safety. My Sig of course lacks an external safety, but that first trigger pull is pretty dang long.

      Obvioulsy it will take some range time to be a good carry gun for me, but thats the case with any gun.
      "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr Suess

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      • MoeMag
        Still here.
        • Dec 2005
        • 1821

        #4

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        • Lohman446
          Useful posts: 7
          • Jun 2003
          • 9315

          #5

          I don't like the short trigger pull on the Glock without a safety. Does the Glock have a safety? Yeh, several in that trigger pull, in fact I happen to have a Smith and Wesson Sigma with the same safety system.

          That being said I think it makes it too easy to accidentally discharge the firearm. I also think that should someone manage to get my gun from me I may have a second or two as they try to figure out what lever makes the gun shoot. This gun is pull the trigger gun goes bang.

          It matters what you are comfortable with. Kahr, Glock, and Springfield all make good quality firearms that are readily concealed - I think they all suffer from the lack of an external safety. You may find a revolver gives you adequate stopping power and is readily concealed. I find this not all that true as the cylinder tends to be thicker than any semi-auto. I personally favor Sig Sauers, though as I noted my Kimber is extremely nice. There are a lot of other names in there as well - H&K, Browning, Taurus, Ruger, etc. that make good firearms. Its a good idea to take some time and rent some different firearms to see what you are comfortable with and what suits you.

          For a cheap, concealable, value firearm Bersa makes a very nice 380 for the price you will pay. Though a 380 is on the lower end of the realistic stopping power that I would carry and depend on.
          "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr Suess

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          • maxama10
            Take off every zig!
            • Sep 2004
            • 1497

            #6
            Pictures?

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            • BeaverEater
              25thID - back in hawaii
              • Oct 2003
              • 1536

              #7
              im a huge fan of kimber but there a little out of my price range with going to college and all. My cousin has a couple and im very impressed with their quality and accuracy. You've gotta post some pics too.


              I just want this stuff gone, super low prices

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              • Steelrat
                I meant to...uh, nevermind
                • May 2003
                • 5375

                #8
                Originally posted by Lohman446
                Expand on this theory for me if you would. There is a manual hammer block safety on the side of the weapon and a firing pin safety on the beavertail safety. I don't see where carrying a .45 cocked and locked is inheretently more dangerous than carrying any loaded gun. I mean, thats my big problem with the Glock (and Kahr) - reasonably short first trigger pulls with no external safety. My Sig of course lacks an external safety, but that first trigger pull is pretty dang long.

                Obvioulsy it will take some range time to be a good carry gun for me, but thats the case with any gun.
                I am definately not a fan of carrying a self-defense gun with a safety on. Just one more step you have to go through before engaging a target. A glock can be outfitted with a heavier trigger group that makes an inadvertant discharge much more unlikely. And that beavertail safety is a whole problem in and of itself, like I mentioned before. Properly indexing the weapon when drawing it is not a given in panic situations, and having a safety tied into having a proper grip can lead to some nasty outcomes.

                Personally, for a carry weapon, I think a DAO is the best setup. Two of my sigs are set up with DAO for that very reason. Fine motor skills get so screwed up when the adrenaline hits that any sort of short, single action pull is a potential accidental-discharge waiting to happen.

                I know it's just my opinion, but I have quite a bit of experience with firearms, and I just can't advocate a 1911 for concealed personal defense.

                EDIT: Also, I see a problem with shooting two types of guns. In a self-defense situation, the MOST important thing is muscle memory. When you draw, your body needs to be conditioned to draw one way, aim one way, fire one way. Shooting two dissimilar weapon types makes that difficult. If you stick with the 1911, I'd relegate the sig to occasional plinking, with NO holster use.
                Last edited by Steelrat; 07-30-2006, 10:35 PM.


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                • Steelrat
                  I meant to...uh, nevermind
                  • May 2003
                  • 5375

                  #9
                  God, if I hear one more person regurgitates that line (or something like it) from "Blackhawk Down" I'm going to throw up. Some people pretend that violent situations happen in a vacuum, as if you were on a shooting range plinking at targets. It's hard to be flip about trigger safety when the lead starts flying. Unless you have some awesome muscle memory, it's best to have a heavy trigger in that glock, because your body will be doing things that you don't want, and don't expect.


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                  • Kyle.Kimber
                    Resident Sexologist
                    • Dec 2005
                    • 460

                    #10
                    I don't know what this thread is about, but thanks for remembering me.

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                    • Lohman446
                      Useful posts: 7
                      • Jun 2003
                      • 9315

                      #11
                      For those wanting pics




                      And the holster http://www.bianchi-intl.com/product/...TxtModelID=100 I really like that particular holster and use it for both this and my Sig Sauer. Good retention, good concealment, and molds to the gun.
                      "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr Suess

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                      • Pneumagger
                        I like 'Mags.

                        • Jun 2006
                        • 3556

                        #12
                        I've been looking into springfield's 45GAP model, a springfield 1911 A1 .45, or the Kimber Eclipse .45 ($$$).

                        The Kimber Eclipse is clearly the best, but has the pricetag to prove it. But they're so sweet looking. Kimbers are like art. Kind of like an the xmags of the pistol world. The first time I saw one my face was like It tould be an honor to be shot at with one of those


                        One reason I'm looking into the XD over the Glock in striker pistols is the fact that it has the addition of the grip saftey. Now I know that it's not a true safty in the sense that it needs disengaged, but it's just one extra level I guess. Plus, have you ever shot one? The ergonomics are really nice compared to most oher pistols. Plus, with the .45 GAP, the grip isn't bulky at all and the double stack gives alot more shots.

                        I guess I'm looking into the regular 1911 A1 for the simple ruggedness and simplicity. Plus, for a 1911 .45 pistol, you can't beat the price. I wish had a bigger capacity though.
                        Last edited by Pneumagger; 07-31-2006, 07:54 AM.

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                        • Lohman446
                          Useful posts: 7
                          • Jun 2003
                          • 9315

                          #13
                          I picked up an XD yesterday, wasn't happy with the balance or weight (it struck me as heavier than the Kimber though I don't have the numbers). I wasn't happy with the blockiness of the slide for a carry weapon either. Add to it the width of a double stack and it just did not strike me as a better option as a carry pistol. However, understand when I bought it I was looking for the "ideal" carry pistol for me and this gun does not need to serve any other role. So there was no compromise to what it would do better
                          "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr Suess

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                          • thecavemankevin
                            the living un-banned
                            • Feb 2001
                            • 4346

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Kyle.Kimber
                            I don't know what this thread is about, but thanks for remembering me.



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                            • Pacifist_Farmer
                              Registered User
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 740

                              #15
                              Hey everyone I realize this has been more of a pros and cons conversation about various pistols, but I'm curious about something.

                              I grew up around guns, my family has a collection, I own several, even my sister has a few. What kind of professions are the various posters in that require, or necessitate a carried weapon?

                              I would guess that aside from law enforcement, security, and of course shop owners, i.e MoeMag, there arent really that many oppurtunities for, or reasons to concealed carry.

                              I understand and agree that anyone who carries a firearm needs to spend enough time with it to develope "muscle memory", but question whether there are that many valid reasons for people to carry anymore.

                              Please bear in mind that I'm writing this from one of the most gun shy states in the union, in fact I keep all of my guns in another state because of the laws here. I cant think of anyone I know who lives in this state who owns a firearm.

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