An incredible display of skill and technology . . .

[Remington]

check it out!

Anyone else have more footage of maneuvers like these?

[personman]

Woww... that's awesome.

[Rudz]

wow

thats hot

[geekwarrior]

that is cool.....a nice fat, slow moving target...lol....it is impressive though

[magman007]

its also fast as crap geek warrior, and could litterally shred the f22 in a dog fight.

[MoeMag]

yeah but the f22 doesnt need to dog fight.... beyond visual range attack. But yeah as far as speed the sukhoi-35/37 (whichever it was) tops out at m 2.35 whereas the f-22 is at 1.58. Give me an f-15 anyday though... m2.5

[bleachit]

its also fast as crap geek warrior, and could litterally shred the f22 in a dog fight.

meh, I doubt it.

experience always pwns technology in the air anyway. regardless, the f22 is far more capable than an a stunt plane.


we need to get those Sukoi's in the hands of all our enemies.... they will kill all their pilots trying to show off.

[txaggie08]

That little flat immelman he did was a neat manuver. That and the rolling spin...


Calling that thing a stunt plane is funny. Its an unarmed aircraft with to smoke gen. on it. They are faster and more manuverable in CAM sitaution....


BTW, just because there american doesnt mean there more experienced. Talk to some korea era vets about dog fighting with russians...

[Steelrat]

its also fast as crap geek warrior, and could litterally shred the f22 in a dog fight.

Wrong. The F-22 is every bit as manueverable as the Sukhois. You should see the airshow demos, the -22 does cobras and all the other junk the Sukhois do. The Mig-29 OTV may be a tad more manueverable due to it's 3-d manuevering, but it's really academic. The new HOBS heaters and HMS allow engagement all around an airplane anyways.

Plus, in air-to-air combat, energy is life. Slow speed manuevers look cool, but they will only get you killed. The F-22 has it all over the russian jets. It can supercruise, which means it can exercise contempt of engagement all day long. The F-22 has a far, far superior radar that will soon be upgraded to act as an emp weapon. The -22s will massacre the russian jets, and thats not even figuring in the stealth. Even the most conservative estimates put the kill/loss ratio of a -22 versus an SU-27 at 10+ to 1.

There is NO jet out there that it equal to the Raptor. Not the Russian birds, not the Eurofighter, NOTHING.

[trevorjk]

Wrong. The F-22 is every bit as manueverable as the Sukhois. You should see the airshow demos, the -22 does cobras and all the other junk the Sukhois do. The Mig-29 OTV may be a tad more manueverable due to it's 3-d manuevering, but it's really academic. The new HOBS heaters and HMS allow engagement all around an airplane anyways.

Plus, in air-to-air combat, energy is life. Slow speed manuevers look cool, but they will only get you killed. The F-22 has it all over the russian jets. It can supercruise, which means it can exercise contempt of engagement all day long. The F-22 has a far, far superior radar that will soon be upgraded to act as an emp weapon. The -22s will massacre the russian jets, and thats not even figuring in the stealth. Even the most conservative estimates put the kill/loss ratio of a -22 versus an SU-27 at 10+ to 1.

There is NO jet out there that it equal to the Raptor. Not the Russian birds, not the Eurofighter, NOTHING.

how about the p51-Mustang i heard those things are amazing, and in manueverability they own the jets

[rkjunior303]

how about the p51-Mustang i heard those things are amazing, and in manueverability they own the jets

I was always a P-38 guy..

[Altimas]

I've flown kites better and more entertaining than that.

[edweird]

meh it would of been ground breaking and usefull 13 years ago... but modern aircombat is moved to the realm of beyond visual range. hovering fighterjets suck up the fragmentation warheads of modern air intercept missiles just as easy as a jet that is moving at mach+

face it kids, dogfighting has went the way of pistol duels at high noon.

evolve or die

[robnix]

I've flown kites better and more entertaining than that.

I was more entertained by this video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8110880470768460776

[Steelrat]

meh it would of been ground breaking and usefull 13 years ago... but modern aircombat is moved to the realm of beyond visual range. hovering fighterjets suck up the fragmentation warheads of modern air intercept missiles just as easy as a jet that is moving at mach+

face it kids, dogfighting has went the way of pistol duels at high noon.

evolve or die

Exactly. And even if you do "dogfight" its all about energy. Pulling those airshow manuevers dumps so much energy that you are toast.

What the Sukhois and Migs will actually face is a bunch of F-22s running passive, launching their missles with supercruise boosting for additional range, acquiring the targeting information from AWACs loitering way behind them. Enemy planes will not even know what hit them. Remember that air warfare is more than just plane versus plane, though the F-22 canbeat anyone at that game. It's about all the support systems as well, and no one else in the world does that NEARLY as well as the US.