governor on s10??

[Lohman446]

I don't quite recall saying anything about mileage increase... and
Fred, anything that boosts your preformance could be considered a preformance upgrade, and exhaust does exactly that. And the highway I'm talking about is one of those deserted hic roads that nobody drives on, so there is no chance of getting cut off.

Good luck with that line of thought - let us know how it works out

/So, I was going down this road, and this deer / horse / cow / moose / John Deere 4020....

[behemoth]

I'm guessing you have the Vortec 4300?

[billybob_81067]

You don't have a "chip". You have a self contained ECU that is pre-programmed from the factory. There is no "chip". OBDI cars (pre 96) have chips. Yours is a 1997 so it's OBDII.. ergo no chip. You might be able to buy a "piggy-back" chip that you rig up to your car somehow, but these can wreck your ECU, your O2 sensors, your catalytic converters, and God knows what else. I wouldn't trust those on my lawnmower.

I'm pretty sure he's talking about a chip that will plug right into the ECU. Most if not all of them have a slot where they can take an aftermarket chip. And diesels do benefit the most from these chips. Some chips for the diesels claim HP gains of over 100HP, which is a bit far out there and not real HP gains, but still they're still huge gains when compared to the gas engine chips that they sell.

[Al_Steel]

I'm pretty sure he's talking about a chip that will plug right into the ECU. Most if not all of them have a slot where they can take an aftermarket chip. And diesels do benefit the most from these chips.

Yes, OBDI (Pre-96) have the ability to have upgraded piggyback chips. Even the ECU chip itself can be replaced with a "performance" module. However, OBDII vehicles don't have this option. There are no "chip" upgrades for an OBDII vehicle b/c the chip is hard wired into the ECU and is not replaceable. What most manufacturer's call a "chip" for OBDII cars is actually a module that you plug inline with the ECU. OBDI is for chipping, OBDII is for programming. The OBDI ECU software is programmed into EPROM chips which plug into the ECU board. OBDI chips can be easily read, modified and replaced with a simple EPROM programmer. The chips are so easily copied that popular performance chips are duplicated and sold on eBay for a fraction of the original manufacturer's cost. BMW tuners will actually downgrade their cars to ODBI to make them more receptive to performance enhancements.

OBDII introduced a whole series of new engine controls that initially did not lend themselves as easily to performance modifications as the older OBDI ECU's. OBDII ECU's have encryption, anti-tamper glue on the ECU housing, and other manufacturer imposed restrictions to prevent the ECU from being tampered with. The only way to modify a stock OBDII ECU is to reprogram it. Luckily, ingenious tuners discovered a way around all these restrictions and figured out how to "jack" into the ECU. There are basically 2 ways methods to get into your OBDII ECU. 1) Pull the ECU, crack the case, which voids the vehicle warranty and plug a programmer directly into the interface port on the ECU board. 2) Purchase a OBDII ECU programmer that plugs into the OBDII port. Cheaper programmers ($400.00) have stock maps that are good for general perfomance enhancements. The more expensive ones connect to a laptop with software and will allow you modify nearly all aspects of engine fuel, spark, and timing. Unless you know exactly what you are doing I would go with the cheaper ones.

I'm sure diesels stand to gain the most b/c they have the most restriction but 100HP!! Wow.. But you can bet that any mod you do to a diesel will run afoul of EPA emissions regs and will prevent it from passing a sniff test. I really don't know too much about diesel tuning though.

There, now go out and drop the cash on a ECU programmer!!

Here ya go, you need something exactly like this... It's simple, easy to use and will get rid of the governator.

Good Luck!

[Fred]

I hope its the 4300... the 4 bangers in the S-10s are rather dismal...

Flowmasters make noise. They are not known for power gains, rather, for losing power... and a higher flowing intake on a NA motor isn't going to net you much of anything. Lower it on a decent suspension, and put the vortech supercharger on it...


I'll be dyno'ing my car saturday... so we can see what my ECU reflash and other mods have done for power increase at the wheels... I baselined stock 6 months ago... (it'll be rather dramatic, since I run 20psi of boost now compared to 10 stock)

[behemoth]

I hope its the 4300... the 4 bangers in the S-10s are rather dismal...

I was only asking because the intake on the 4300 is in the front drivers side corner, his purdy hood aint doin' jack.

II'll be dyno'ing my car saturday... so we can see what my ECU reflash and other mods have done for power increase at the wheels... I baselined stock 6 months ago... (it'll be rather dramatic, since I run 20psi of boost now compared to 10 stock)

Let us know how that turns out

[paintballaddict_6]

[QUOTE=behemoth]I was only asking because the intake on the 4300 is in the front drivers side corner, his purdy hood aint doin' jack.

Yeah, it's the vortec 6cyl. And, no, the hood really doesn't do jack. To be honest with you, the vents aren't even open, they have sheet metal bolted over them. The hood came with the truck when I bought it, and I liked it, so.. that's about it. The only real complaint I have with the whole truck is that it's automatic, which isn't as fun to drive as standard. I drove my dad's standard '86 Honda Accord two summers ago, and it really matches the truck as far as the fun factor goes, even though it has half the power... eh.

[behemoth]

[QUOTE=paintballaddict_6]

I was only asking because the intake on the 4300 is in the front drivers side corner, his purdy hood aint doin' jack.

Yeah, it's the vortec 6cyl. And, no, the hood really doesn't do jack. To be honest with you, the vents aren't even open, they have sheet metal bolted over them. The hood came with the truck when I bought it, and I liked it, so.. that's about it. The only real complaint I have with the whole truck is that it's automatic, which isn't as fun to drive as standard. I drove my dad's standard '86 Honda Accord two summers ago, and it really matches the truck as far as the fun factor goes, even though it has half the power... eh.

How many miles it got on it?

[paintballaddict_6]

Somethin like 170k. I want to do a tranny swap but it's not even worth doing to such an old truck.

[maxama10]

MUAHAHA HIJACK! *blah, thread was idotic anyways*


Well. As you guys know, I just got a 06 Wrangler Unlimited. Its got a 4.0 liter I6 and a 6 speed manual. So, gas prices suck. Ive heard chips can improve milage? What else could I do, with out serious modifications. Not too terribly concerned but It would be nice to get better milage

Edit: I suppose my Q's arent that much better. But at least im not asking how to make my jeep go 120

[paintballaddict_6]

One and only warning. We don't play like that here, do not pick an internet fight, nobody wins, and you look terribly foolish for the effort. Go to some less intellectual paintball site to try your shenanigans. Army

[maxama10]

hehe

[bentothejam1n]

you dont have enough e points to say that yet
sorry

[billybob_81067]

Somethin like 170k. I want to do a tranny swap but it's not even worth doing to such an old truck.

LOL I'm doing a tranny swap on my pickup with 230K on it... but then again I probably have another 300k miles to go before it's even broke in

[kosmo]

I think the important thing to remember here is that all of us hope you fail miserably and in flaming glory in your idiotic quest. Bonus points for taking your truck racing friends down with you.