Who is going to play in the BCS bowl vs Ohio

[MANN]

Lol

On ESPN college football homepage there is a place to vote "do you think the BCS got it right?" The vote right now is 50/50 with 226,090 votes. You can look at each state to see what each individual state thinks. You can tell which schools thought they should get a better seat, and which ones are happy

[ntn4502]

your right the SEC has a bunch of good teams yet no great ones, Big Ten has 2 if not 3 great teams that are on a much higher level than anything from the Super Exaggerated Conference

[MANN]

your right the SEC has a bunch of good teams yet no great ones, Big Ten has 2 if not 3 great teams that are on a much higher level than anything from the Super Exaggerated Conference

Alright Lee Corso
Week 1
"California is the best team in the nation. They are going to play in the National Championship. They will defiently beat Tennessee"
California loses
Week 9
"California is the best one loss team in the nation. They will still be contenders for the national championship"
California loses again
Week 10
"California is the best two loss teams in the nation."
California loses again
Week 11
"California is on a growing season. They will be a my pick for the 2007 National Championship"

(I know California is not in the big 10. What you said just remined me of how Lee Corso thinks the world of the pac 10, and california in general)

I agree that there are great team coming from the big 10 (ohio/michigan), but they only have 1-2 hard games a year in their confrence. The rest are just push overs. They dont have to worry at all about injurys. In the SEC you are guarenteed 4-6 hard games. Most of the time you have 5 of 11 guys playing with some type of injury.

I will agree that Ohio is a great team, but for everyone that is saying that Michigan should be playing them is hilarious. They have only played 2 ranked teams the whole year (one of which they lost). Florida has played 4 or 5, and has not already been beaten by Ohio. Yes the Pac 10, and Big 10 will always produce 1 great team a year, but I beleive that the SEC always will produce at least 2-3 great teams, and will always be the toughest confrence to make it through.

When it comes down to it we just need a playoff. That would make all of the speculation/arguments go away. Let the top 8 play it out. :cheers:

[Lohman446]

What I am going to see as funny, is when OSU blows out FSU, Michigan destroys SC, and LSU gets there butts kicked. Then lets see the rankings

I would have loved to see FSU vs ND - FSU might have this "great" defense (yeh right) but they could never survive a shootout - SC, OSU, Michigan, and even ND (who have there own problems) would decimate FSU, and I am going to laugh when it happens.

Lets see the polls after the bowl games and see how the "great SEC" does?

[teufelhunden]

Here's my take on the whole thing:

1) Nobody can make any sort of decent argument against either Michigan or Florida. Anybody who knows anything can make a good argument for both teams. If you look at the USA Today poll, which apparently swung the numbers, you get a sense that the general consensus was that Michigan got its shot and it was someone else's turn.

2) An argument can be made for either the Big Ten or the SEC in terms of strength of the conference. The Big Ten has less powerhouses than the SEC I think, but the SEC has a really great top end and a really piss poor bottom end. So, it can go either way.

3) College football should go to a playoff system. Duh. However, I don't see that happening any time soon given the amount of money being thrown around for these bowl appearances. While the fans would love a playoff season, I doubt that's something the schools would like. To compare it to March, those teams don't know where they're going until the final buzzer of the game they're playing. There's so much less money there because there isn't the sponsorship, which I think is a downfall of a playoff system because there's so much less time spent building things up. We have a month to hear coverage for the BCS bowls and hype it up to amp the TV ratings. The analysts can make calls on teams actually playing the games. For basketball, there's too much speculation involved to be hyping things that far in advance. "HAI GUYZ WATCH THE GAME IDK WHOSE PLAYING BUT IT'LL BE SWEET SWARE 2 GOD LOL"

4) And, in the end, I really just can't pull for putting Michigan in any spot of glory. I don't have any alumni based allegiance to any NCAA teams, and I guess just due to having the most fun at the games, I'm a de facto PSU fan. Given how PSU/Michigan is, well, yeah. You can go read the anti-Michigan stuff anywhere, but, seriously, only beating Ball St. by 8?

Anddddd, in the real end, how about playoffs? Yeah? It works everywhere else? Arbitrary rankings ftl?



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[Lohman446]

I think you had a few big name ESPN personalities decide the SEC was the "darkhorse" conference and suddenly everyone considers them incredible, though for no proven reason. I mean, when has the SEC been meaningful to the championship game recently?

[MANN]

I think you had a few big name ESPN personalities decide the SEC was the "darkhorse" conference and suddenly everyone considers them incredible, though for no proven reason. I mean, when has the SEC been meaningful to the championship game recently?

2005- 2 years ago when alburn went undefeated, and didnt get to play in the national championship. USC killed Oklahoma 55-19 (yeah team deserved to be #2)

2004- 3 years ago when LSU beat Oklahoma

1998 -8 years ago when Tennessee beat Florida State

Yeah ESPN(ABC) doesnt like the SEC. All of our games are CBS. Tennessee hates ESPN for when they called our fans "Trailer Trash" (it was chris something. Needless to say they changed their gameday campus that year)

We also dislike that they didnt give Payton Manning the Heisman. WTF were they thinking. They picked Charles Woodson from who guessed it a big 10 team. Michigan. They were sooooo wrong. Ever sience then the SEC has been the "red headed step child"

[Lohman446]

2005- 2 years ago when alburn went undefeated, and didnt get to play in the national championship. USC killed Oklahoma 55-19 (yeah team deserved to be #2)

2004- 3 years ago when LSU beat Oklahoma

1998 -8 years ago when Tennessee beat Florida State

Yeah ESPN(ABC) doesnt like the SEC. All of our games are CBS. Tennessee hates ESPN for when they called our fans "Trailer Trash" (it was chris something. Needless to say they changed their gameday campus that year)

We also dislike that they didnt give Payton Manning the Heisman. WTF were they thinking. They picked Charles Woodson from who guessed it a big 10 team. Michigan. They were sooooo wrong. Ever sience then the SEC has been the "red headed step child"

Didn't Peyton have this problem winning the big game back then too? Isn't the leadership to win those big games a big part of the Heisman>

I listen to Colin Cowherd (sp) and Jim Rome, both ESPN personalities with plenty of air time, and they have this strange infatuation with the SEC. Its like "yeh, they don't do much but there better than they seem, thats a tough conference, etc". They are what the records show they are.... if there records show they are not the best conference, over and over, gues what, there not.

Face it, they play a style of football that the rest of the colleges have moved away from. That grind it out football may work for NFL teams, but in college (you know, where they play) the high powered offenses rule. I'm sorry, FSU is not going to have an answer for Troy Smith. The only team that had a chance is one with the offense to be able to try to shoot it out against the OSU defense and match them score for score. Michigan was the best suited, SC was close until that UCLA fiasco exposed what the OSU defense would do to there offense. FSU is going to get destroyed... I personally hope this backfires on the BCS and that half the viewers turn it off at half time.

[MANN]

Peyton could not beat florida while he was here. He practily ran the offence the same way he does today. In 97 we were either 11-2, or 12-1 (i cant remember that far back), and won quite a few sec championships under his belt. Payton was a huge leader, and had great stats.

Yes we play grind out football. We dont change every season to try to do the "in thing" Ie after mike vick everyone wanted a running quarterback.

Ohio is good, and I think that Troy Smith is a great Quarterback, and a great leader. I think that he will be the deciding factor of the game. If he brings his A game than it will be a tough one. He reminds me alot of vince young who is also a running quarterback that can throw. I think everyone is underestimating UFs defense tho. They are big and quick.

Ill agree with hoping anything backfires with the BCS as I now beleive that 90% of college watching fans hate the current system.

We will have to continue this descussion after the first of the year.

Either way win or lose SEC=#1 confrence :cool:

Didn't Peyton have this problem winning the big game back then too? Isn't the leadership to win those big games a big part of the Heisman>

I listen to Colin Cowherd (sp) and Jim Rome, both ESPN personalities with plenty of air time, and they have this strange infatuation with the SEC. Its like "yeh, they don't do much but there better than they seem, thats a tough conference, etc". They are what the records show they are.... if there records show they are not the best conference, over and over, gues what, there not.

Face it, they play a style of football that the rest of the colleges have moved away from. That grind it out football may work for NFL teams, but in college (you know, where they play) the high powered offenses rule. I'm sorry, FSU is not going to have an answer for Troy Smith. The only team that had a chance is one with the offense to be able to try to shoot it out against the OSU defense and match them score for score. Michigan was the best suited, SC was close until that UCLA fiasco exposed what the OSU defense would do to there offense. FSU is going to get destroyed... I personally hope this backfires on the BCS and that half the viewers turn it off at half time.

[ntn4502]

Lohman, FSU = ACC team that had a bad year, UF = team that edged out Michigan and is playing tOSU in the championship :D

[Lohman446]

Lohman, FSU = ACC team that had a bad year, UF = team that edged out Michigan and is playing tOSU in the championship :D

LOL - Wow, I should really really pay more attention , now that you say it, I knew that :cool:

So put in UF for FSU where I screwed it up, it still stands. UF might totally stop the designed running game of OSU, but there is not a chance of dealing with the passing offense + Troy Smith being able to ad-lib. And they don't have the offense to win a shoot-out against OSU's defense.

I'm a college football fan, though I was really hoping ND would get a bigger cupcake and actually win a bowl game this year. The second best team in college football was Michigan. The team(s) most likely to deal with OSU and make it a good game were Michigan and USC.

Now I hope for incredible blowouts by OSU and frankly Michigan that show just how flawed the BCS is.

PS: Wasn't thinking changing to running QB's, I was thinking the spread offense that exposes mismatches so common in college.

[Altimas]

2005- 2 years ago when alburn went undefeated, and didnt get to play in the national championship. USC killed Oklahoma 55-19 (yeah team deserved to be #2)

2004- 3 years ago when LSU beat Oklahoma

1998 -8 years ago when Tennessee beat Florida State

Yeah ESPN(ABC) doesnt like the SEC. All of our games are CBS. Tennessee hates ESPN for when they called our fans "Trailer Trash" (it was chris something. Needless to say they changed their gameday campus that year)

We also dislike that they didnt give Payton Manning the Heisman. WTF were they thinking. They picked Charles Woodson from who guessed it a big 10 team. Michigan. They were sooooo wrong. Ever sience then the SEC has been the "red headed step child"

Yeah you also forgot Alabama has 12 National championships. Yeah the SEC is treated like the Red-headed Stepchild quite a bit. We Should have a playoff, the BCS is stupid.

[UTDragun]

I think you had a few big name ESPN personalities decide the SEC was the "darkhorse" conference and suddenly everyone considers them incredible, though for no proven reason. I mean, when has the SEC been meaningful to the championship game recently?

Probably because 2/3 of the conference is going to a bowl game.
5 teams ranked in the top 25, 4 in the top 10
rest of conference ranked #40 or higher.
Has the Highest win % in bcs bowls.
Auburn went undefeated and got shafted in 2005
LSU won in 2004
LSU got shafted in 2001
Tennessee won in 98
Tennessee got shafted in 97

Just becuase you believe michigan is a better team doesnt mean they deserve a second chance . OSU should not have to beat michigan again in order to be crowned natl champs. They played two tough games all year which gives them plenty of time to rest injured players and such.

[Lohman446]

Im going to give you this: The BCS this year had as big a problem as it did in 2005. There was no solution that would look "logical" to everyone. I think MI was a better team, but without common opponents thats a thought - there is some argument that OSU should not have to beat MI twice. However, the rankings are not supposed to consider who goes where, they are supposed to consider who are the best teams in the country. Which is nearly impossible with two one loss teams who shared no common opponents.

[93civiccpe]

Honestly I think that Michigan matches up a lot better with OSU and would have made a much better national championship as a rematch. I think Florida has played extremely tough and fought their way through a very tough schedule, but let's not forget how they almost lost to the South Carolina Gamecocks. If they didn't get lucky and block a few field goals their name wouldn't even be mentioned right now. I actually want Florida to go and get blown out, because I have too many friends who have jumped on the Florida bandwagon.