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[grEnAlEins]

I edited my above post with working pics this time...

as my // confirms, home interwebs tubes > work interwebs tubes

Can the military use BTHP rounds? I thought that they were limited to fully jacketed rounds, so no HP allowed... I could very well be wrong here though.

[tsc]

Holy crap! Hey tsc, how the heck are you?

Good! Not really playing anymore, but oh well. Sup with you man?

[Target Practice]

Disagreeing with you does not automatically make someone an idiot.

It does if they're the "obvious expert".

[Steelrat]

Can the military use BTHP rounds? I thought that they were limited to fully jacketed rounds, so no HP allowed... I could very well be wrong here though.

No, FMJ only from what I know. I have even read about random inspections for unapproved ammunition. The M855 is the standard round, and it's a FMJ with a penetrator. Maybe special forces can use the good stuff, who knows?

The non-military folks over there are free to use JHP and BTHP, and have done so with great effect from what I have read.

*Please note that those who have played in the sandbox have more concrete information that I do.

[edweird]

No, FMJ only from what I know. I have even read about random inspections for unapproved ammunition. The M855 is the standard round, and it's a FMJ with a penetrator. Maybe special forces can use the good stuff, who knows?

The non-military folks over there are free to use JHP and BTHP, and have done so with great effect from what I have read.

*Please note that those who have played in the sandbox have more concrete information that I do.

the only mil-spec standard 5.56 rounds I have ever been issued are either Xm-193 or M855 ball FMJ rounds. Army and reconbyfire have infinate more feild experience than myself, so they would be the authority on whats actually comming down to the men who make a real diffrence.

[Army]

m118 Special Ball is allowed, despite being a hollowpoint (Sierra MatchKing). The main difference is, it is not a hollowpoint by design, but by manufacture technique. The bullet is not designed to expand, but to set the center of gravity further back for better accuracy. Impact with flesh causes the nose to cave IN, essentially creating a FMJ profile.

All other standard issue small arms ammo is FMJ.

Get off your high horse Army, I already acknowledged you were the obvious expert at it. However, one does not have to have been there or done it to look at it and make a consideration of it.

"It just is I would know" is generally the mark of someone who thinks there an expert but really isn't. I know you know what your talking about, and you would do far better to educate than to berate people. I told you why I think what I do, its not an opinion entirely void of logic. Surely you would can make a far stronger argument than what you did.

My answers were quite civil, but you first doubted my real life experience, then wanted to question my real life training. Nothing I have written on this thread is theoretical or open to "consideration". The M16 was designed to kill, period. I and my brother Soldiers have been trained to kill, period.

And yes, when it comes to killing people in war, you really DO have to have been there, or you really DON'T know of what you speak.

How about YOU get off YOUR "high horse" and reaffirm to everyone that YOU have acknowledged that I know of what I speak...me being an obvious expert and all.

[edweird]

m118 Special Ball

Bah, I knew that was a special circumstance ammo... I recognised it when you said Sierra MatchKing.

/somewhere on my home compy i have a copy of the JAG ruleing on using that ammo

[devildog]

"standard" training to shoot and kill the enemy, are to take 2 quick snap shots at center mass. you dont have time to aim for the head when bullets are coming at you.

you guys think the 5.56 doesnt do enough damage to kill on a body shot? have you ever seen anyone hit by one? have you ever seen the exit wound from a 5.56? its not pretty....

[Lohman446]

It does if they're the "obvious expert".

In reality my disagreement was left to asking questions more than making statements, I find it generally pretty effective at gaining knowlege

[Recon by Fire]

Center mass??? Oops! my bad.......

[maxama10]

According to the History channell, when the insurgents are high on drugs(heroin, cocaine, addreniline) they are a lot harder to take down. Just a random thought... not taking either side.

Edit: No one has brought this up yet...

With the evolution of modern CNC machinery, the M16 can now be manufactured in micro plants. In the US, a number of manufacturers make modern M16 variants and many are indeed micro plant manufacturers. This is possible because of the high degree of automation that can be applied to the machining of the M16 receiver and upper, which are made out of aluminum.
The M16 appeared much later than the AK-47 and thus provided a platform that offered much more development potential than the AK series. Unlike the AK-47, the M16 continues to benefit from every advance in the CNC field, which allows more and more small manufacturers to make M16s and AR-15 rifles. While the M16 is made using aluminum and plastics, it can also be made entirely out of machined steel and wood, at the expense of adding some weight. Where the AK-47 relies on huge Soviet-style, state-run factories, the M16 is ideal for free economy production, spread among many manufacturers around the country, which ensures that it would be very hard for anyone to disrupt US M16 production in the case of a major conflict.

[HOMELANDEFENDER]

I'm just going to sit back and enjoy all this talk about Boolets

This thread is going real well with this Heineken I got in my hand - lol. CARRY ON ...


HLD...

[bleachit]

This has been a very informative thread.




and this made me major lol.

before you all get all weirded out on the 12 inches of penetration and think "well im not 12inches thick I will just avoid the fragmentaion unpleasantness with my skinny emo boy frame".

[punkncat]

Some of you guys are really frightening.....

[Triangle]

Some of the posters in this thread have been trained to kill.
I respect, but I don't fear them. Neither should you.