I think I figured out women

[sniper1rfa]

So, um, let me get this straight. It's PERFECTLY okay for you, as a guy, to look another woman up and down like a piece of meat, but an "I'd hit that," about a movie star, from your girlfriend is absolutely unacceptable.

No, thats exactly the opposite point. If it's OK for them to do that, it's OK for us to look. However, i've not found a girl who really doesnt care if i look, but they still find it OK to do that. I hate it. It's a huge pet peeve of mine, expecially since i honestly don't check girls out much. It's not very interesting to me.

Why does being emotional=being illogical? Emotions are part of being human; logic is not cold, logic is not infallible. What is wrong with allowing emotions to color our interactions with other people? What, pray tell, is wrong with doing what "feels" right versus what is defined by society as right?

Emotion doesn't necessarily lead to illogical behaviour, *but* things like jealousy DO make for a higher tendency. I know many girls who get wary if their boyfriend hangs out with a lot of girls, or goes to a party with many girls, which is insane because 50% of the population is female. Emotion drives the "cling to your boyfriend in a dangerous situation" reaction, which is all too common. That's a completely rediculous reaction. In my experience, girls are more likely to do dumb things due to their emotions than guys.

That is not to say they *are* dumber, just that in emotionally fired situations they tend to be a little less logical. (in the same situation, guys tend to just be idiots...).

Guys, imho, are not simple. More straightforward, yes, but they're also human beings. They have thoughts, ideas, feelings, etc, etc... that alone makes them complicated. They are socialized to be "sex, food, beer" beings, whereas women are taught from a young age to be "nice." Men are taught to never show emotion, but even more importantly, they're taught that it's absolutely okay to show aggression. Girls aren't allowed that same luxury. Being a nice girl entails never raising your voice, never fighting, never being promiscuous, never flaunting your intelligence, etc. This leads to women having to find more subtle ways of expressing their anger and jealousy at fellow women. You can't be a nice girl if you just told off a girl to her face; it's much easier to spread a rumor about how much of a slut she is. You can either conform to these prescribed roles, or you can choose not to. If you take into account the fact that women are shoved into a society where they HAVE to be sneaky to preserve their image and still make it to the top, it's easy to see why they look for hidden meaning in your words.

That doesnt meant they have to look for hidden meanings in my words. Just means you have to look for hidden meaning in the words of other women, since they, as you say, need to be more subtle. However, i promise i have little hidden meanning in my words. Oftentimes, in fact, i'm a little too clear in my thought and opinions.

[SCpoloRicker]

I award Indignant one intartube.

[tropical_fishy]

No, thats exactly the opposite point. If it's OK for them to do that, it's OK for us to look. However, i've not found a girl who really doesnt care if i look, but they still find it OK to do that. I hate it. It's a huge pet peeve of mine, expecially since i honestly don't check girls out much. It's not very interesting to me.

But it's not okay to do either, I don't think, and that's something between you and your girlfriend. I mean, it may be okay to do both in some relationships, but if one person is uncomfortable, then the situation needs to be discussed and rectified, or you need to get out.

Emotion doesn't necessarily lead to illogical behaviour, *but* things like jealousy DO make for a higher tendency. I know many girls who get wary if their boyfriend hangs out with a lot of girls, or goes to a party with many girls, which is insane because 50% of the population is female. Emotion drives the "cling to your boyfriend in a dangerous situation" reaction, which is all too common. That's a completely rediculous reaction. In my experience, girls are more likely to do dumb things due to their emotions than guys.

That is not to say they *are* dumber, just that in emotionally fired situations they tend to be a little less logical. (in the same situation, guys tend to just be idiots...).

Perhaps something you do makes your significant other suspect that you will/would cheat on her, given the chance. With one of my exes, I knew he'd never cheat. I trusted him to the end of the world with other women, but that doesn't mean it didn't bother me when he showed them attention. I mean, who likes to see their significant other flirting with their gender of choice? With the other, I thought the same thing at the beginning, and my confidence in him slowly dwindled. When I found out he had cheated, I wasn't surprised... that doesn't mean it hurt less, I just wasn't surprised. My point is, maybe something you do gives your girlfriend reason to question you, or maybe you date intensely jealous women. Or maybe you don't talk to her enough and things get hidden and repressed, untill the only thing she can do is take out her frustration in seemingly illogical ways.

That doesnt meant they have to look for hidden meanings in my words. Just means you have to look for hidden meaning in the words of other women, since they, as you say, need to be more subtle. However, i promise i have little hidden meanning in my words. Oftentimes, in fact, i'm a little too clear in my thought and opinions.

That's true, but some people can't wrap their minds around the idea that other people don't think exactly like them. It's a source of constant frustration for me. I hate stupid. I hate when women don't say what they mean, but I also hate the "OH MY GOD, HE SAID 'HI' TO ME LAST WEEKEND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?!??!!!111" Well, idiot, it means that he recognized you and acknowledged your existance. Woo!

[floodmunky]

Websters defines logical- Reasoning or capable of reasoning in a clear and consistent manner

Websters defines emotional- determined or actuated by emotion rather than reason; "it was an emotional judgment

Men are mostly logic driven.

Women are mostly emotion driven.

Logic is cold.

Emotion is hot.

If you approach things logically, then you approach tings with reason and sanity.

If you approach things emotionally, then you approach things with a colored mental mindset.

If you ask a man, "what are you thinking?" he'll say, "nothing." and mean it.

If you ask a woman, "what are you thinking?" she'll say, "nothing." and mean "I'm thinking you should have done this, you should have said that.......... ad nauseum."

This brings me to the dreaded phrase, "It"s fine." if I ask you something, and you feel its against what your particular mindset or wishes, dont tell me, "It's fine." Then there will be a huge argument about me doing whatever I did, (that you had said was "fine.") I have a novel approach, if I'm about to do something that you feel is unacceptable for any reason......... TELL ME! don't try to use subtlety, men are not subtle creatures and do not understand this sort of reasoning, (whoops, this jumps back to the top and my two definitions.)

If you refer to your girlfriend as your "woman," you need an attitude re-adjustment.

Hmmmm..... let me see if I have this correctly you would like to be refered to as a girlfriend rather than a woman?
lets break that down, girl=child woman=adult sort of gives new meaning to "who's your daddy."

Which brings me to one last thing I'd like to address.

Washing her hair + candles = mad booty

Since when has becoming a woman with a penis a desireable attribute for a male counterpart?

[tropical_fishy]

Websters defines logical- Reasoning or capable of reasoning in a clear and consistent manner

Websters defines emotional- determined or actuated by emotion rather than reason; "it was an emotional judgment

Men are mostly logic driven.

Women are mostly emotion driven.

Logic is cold.

Emotion is hot.

If you approach things logically, then you approach tings with reason and sanity.

If you approach things emotionally, then you approach things with a colored mental mindset.

True. But what you are not grasping is that the two are not mutually exclusive. You can allow your emotions leeway and still think logically.

If you ask a man, "what are you thinking?" he'll say, "nothing." and mean it.

If you ask a woman, "what are you thinking?" she'll say, "nothing." and mean "I'm thinking you should have done this, you should have said that.......... ad nauseum."

This brings me to the dreaded phrase, "It"s fine." if I ask you something, and you feel its against what your particular mindset or wishes, dont tell me, "It's fine." Then there will be a huge argument about me doing whatever I did, (that you had said was "fine.") I have a novel approach, if I'm about to do something that you feel is unacceptable for any reason......... TELL ME! don't try to use subtlety, men are not subtle creatures and do not understand this sort of reasoning, (whoops, this jumps back to the top and my two definitions.)

I can't speak for all women here, but I'm fairly blunt. If I tell you not to do something once, or twice, I expect you to remember. For example: there are certain ways I CANNOT stand being touched in certain ways. So after I tell you the first time, DONT DO IT AGAIN. I expect you to KNOW why I'm angry if you do it after I tell you not to. If I say, "I hate PDA, don't do that," don't f-ing do it. I WILL get angry, and I WILL make you guess why... because you should already know, and I shouldn't have to go over it all over again. Come on now, it's not hard, it just takes a little focus.

Hmmmm..... let me see if I have this correctly you would like to be refered to as a girlfriend rather than a woman?
lets break that down, girl=child woman=adult sort of gives new meaning to "who's your daddy."

There is something inherently degrading about the phrase "your/my woman." "My girlfriend" indicates that she's your significant other, and you are hers; "my woman" indicates ownership; she has no identity besides the one you give her.

I love how guys blast me for "pro-woman ranting" and talking about men being "woman-hating," when I have refrained (with, I think, admirable restraint) from labelling all men as shallow idiots who can't string coherent sentences together, let alone complex thoughts. You attack me for my positions and inform me that women are illogical, but I have yet to do anything except raise a logical argument. I'm from the other side of the tracks here; I do mainly male sports and activities, I interact with you on a daily basis, and I see the dynamic in a way a lot of women don't. I'm not imagining these things.

[jenarelJAM]

Props to Tropical Fishy for continuing her fight against an army of male paintball geeks.

Fishy. I've agreed with more that you've said than with what the rest of the guys on here have said.

I mean really guys. Take 5 minutes of your time, and imagine what you'd want. Then think about what fishy(and probably every girlfriend you've ever actually talked to) is saying about what girls want. They should be the same.

Which leads me back to 3rd grade philosophy. Do unto others as others should do unto you.

This isn't just some random moral code we want little kids to follow until they grow out of it. I mean REALLY. Don't do things if you know that you wouldn't like them(unless you know she will). If you lose face, so be it. You've got to make a choice on whether you're going to take the high road, and possibly lose something that isn't worth it anyways, or going to lower yourself, and be miserable.


And just something else I've noticed...

Girl says "I'd hit that." Guess where that phrase came from in the first place... Men.
Actually, to take that farther, I believe that the terms "hot" and "cute" were originally used for girls, but have gone somewhat out of style for men <i>as girls have taken them for their own</i>. It's only a matter of time until women start calling men "fine"
Same with "My woman" and "My man"

I see this as girls taking the phrases and using them on men in a completely fair manner. Personally, I hate it. But I'm a guy. Objectively, I see it as fair.

Sorry, I'm kinda an anti-sexist...
Not a feminist, I'm very pro-diversity, but I really don't like sexism.

And I'm 17. Maybe I haven't grown up and seen the world. Maybe there's alot that I'm missing. But maybe, just maybe, I'm right.

[FooTemps]

Props to Tropical Fishy for continuing her fight against an army of male paintball geeks.

Fishy. I've agreed with more that you've said than with what the rest of the guys on here have said.

I mean really guys. Take 5 minutes of your time, and imagine what you'd want. Then think about what fishy(and probably every girlfriend you've ever actually talked to) is saying about what girls want. They should be the same.

Which leads me back to 3rd grade philosophy. Do unto others as others should do unto you.

This isn't just some random moral code we want little kids to follow until they grow out of it. I mean REALLY. Don't do things if you know that you wouldn't like them(unless you know she will). If you lose face, so be it. You've got to make a choice on whether you're going to take the high road, and possibly lose something that isn't worth it anyways, or going to lower yourself, and be miserable.


And just something else I've noticed...

Girl says "I'd hit that." Guess where that phrase came from in the first place... Men.
Actually, to take that farther, I believe that the terms "hot" and "cute" were originally used for girls, but have gone somewhat out of style for men <i>as girls have taken them for their own</i>. It's only a matter of time until women start calling men "fine"
Same with "My woman" and "My man"

I see this as girls taking the phrases and using them on men in a completely fair manner. Personally, I hate it. But I'm a guy. Objectively, I see it as fair.

Sorry, I'm kinda an anti-sexist...
Not a feminist, I'm very pro-diversity, but I really don't like sexism.

And I'm 17. Maybe I haven't grown up and seen the world. Maybe there's alot that I'm missing. But maybe, just maybe, I'm right.

lol, we are all after the same thing, but it doesn't mean there is miscommunication and good intentions gone awry. There's hypocrisy on both sides and that's what I wanted to point out. I am not very sexist (except unless I'm doing it intentionally to piss off specific people, but then I pull out every sort of discrimination if I can get my point across), but I am trying to point out a hypocritical double standard that females like to use all too often. If we want to be fair, I shouldn't look at other girls and girls shouldn't comment about "hotties" that aren't their boyfriends. Plain and simple. To be honest, if I'm caught glancing, I get embarrassed and apologize to the girl, then she goes and comments about the next hottest guy she sees and how she should do him just without any sort of remorse. Fair? Not at all.

This isn't some "high road" vs "low road" deal, it's just a double standard that pisses me off. I feel bad for looking if I genuinely like the girl I'm with, but she gets to laugh and say "you're jealous huh?" instead of apologizing and it's considered "cute" or "funny". WTF is with that?

[Indignant]

Props to Tropical Fishy for continuing her fight against an army of male paintball geeks.

Fishy. I've agreed with more that you've said than with what the rest of the guys on here have said.

I mean really guys. Take 5 minutes of your time, and imagine what you'd want. Then think about what fishy(and probably every girlfriend you've ever actually talked to) is saying about what girls want. They should be the same.

Which leads me back to 3rd grade philosophy. Do unto others as others should do unto you.

This isn't just some random moral code we want little kids to follow until they grow out of it. I mean REALLY. Don't do things if you know that you wouldn't like them(unless you know she will). If you lose face, so be it. You've got to make a choice on whether you're going to take the high road, and possibly lose something that isn't worth it anyways, or going to lower yourself, and be miserable.


And just something else I've noticed...

Girl says "I'd hit that." Guess where that phrase came from in the first place... Men.
Actually, to take that farther, I believe that the terms "hot" and "cute" were originally used for girls, but have gone somewhat out of style for men <i>as girls have taken them for their own</i>. It's only a matter of time until women start calling men "fine"
Same with "My woman" and "My man"

I see this as girls taking the phrases and using them on men in a completely fair manner. Personally, I hate it. But I'm a guy. Objectively, I see it as fair.

Sorry, I'm kinda an anti-sexist...
Not a feminist, I'm very pro-diversity, but I really don't like sexism.

And I'm 17. Maybe I haven't grown up and seen the world. Maybe there's alot that I'm missing. But maybe, just maybe, I'm right.

i think you're forgetting one simple thing-


women don't have rights!





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[jenarelJAM]

lol, we are all after the same thing, but it doesn't mean there is miscommunication and good intentions gone awry. There's hypocrisy on both sides and that's what I wanted to point out. I am not very sexist (except unless I'm doing it intentionally to piss off specific people, but then I pull out every sort of discrimination if I can get my point across), but I am trying to point out a hypocritical double standard that females like to use all too often. If we want to be fair, I shouldn't look at other girls and girls shouldn't comment about "hotties" that aren't their boyfriends. Plain and simple. To be honest, if I'm caught glancing, I get embarrassed and apologize to the girl, then she goes and comments about the next hottest guy she sees and how she should do him just without any sort of remorse. Fair? Not at all.

This isn't some "high road" vs "low road" deal, it's just a double standard that pisses me off. I feel bad for looking if I genuinely like the girl I'm with, but she gets to laugh and say "you're jealous huh?" instead of apologizing and it's considered "cute" or "funny". WTF is with that?

Yes there is a high road vs low road. You, I would consider to be taking the high road for the most part. Yes, it's human nature, but you apologize. If she goes off and talks about some other guy, she is not taking the high road. Nothing you can do about it. Move on. At a certain point, self-respect is worth more than getting even. Who cares who "started it". <i>You</i> end it.

[Triangle]

[FooTemps]

SHO RYU REPPA

[cyrus-the-virus]

heh This is why I don't date..

I had one girl friend and she was a total nut case. (like almost instatunialized with like 47,000 medical problums some of which I'd never heard of before) And she broke up with me....Still haven't figured out why.

Just give up on understanding, just go with the flow. They've been doing it since the begining of time while we've been trying to "figure them out"

besides even if you did understand women, you woulden't turn into super stud

My $0.05

EDIT-

I love how guys blast me for "pro-woman ranting" and talking about men being "woman-hating," when I have refrained (with, I think, admirable restraint) from labelling all men as shallow idiots who can't string coherent sentences together, let alone complex thoughts. You attack me for my positions and inform me that women are illogical, but I have yet to do anything except raise a logical argument. I'm from the other side of the tracks here; I do mainly male sports and activities, I interact with you on a daily basis, and I see the dynamic in a way a lot of women don't. I'm not imagining these things.

He just cus I can't form complex thought's doesen't mean I can't form good simple one's

K.I.S.S.

Keep It Simple Stupid

This whole thread is stupid.

[tropical_fishy]

heh This is why I don't date..

I had one girl friend and she was a total nut case. (like almost instatunialized with like 47,000 medical problums some of which I'd never heard of before) And she broke up with me....Still haven't figured out why.

Just give up on understanding, just go with the flow. They've been doing it since the begining of time while we've been trying to "figure them out"

besides even if you did understand women, you woulden't turn into super stud

My $0.05

EDIT-



He just cus I can't form complex thought's doesen't mean I can't form good simple one's

K.I.S.S.

Keep It Simple Stupid

This whole thread is stupid.

Oh my. You are a moron. You can't form a simple thought, let alone a simple sentence. Perhaps your girlfriend was "instatutionialized" because she had to deal with your "problums." Don't worry honey, you can't do much except K.I.S.S.

[thecavemankevin]

SHO RYU REPPA

me tinks itz ken cause hes in red suite

k, thx by

[cyrus-the-virus]

Oh my. You are a moron. You can't form a simple thought, let alone a simple sentence. Perhaps your girlfriend was "institutionalized" because she had to deal with your "problems." Don't worry honey, you can't do much except K.I.S.S.

Ya she got institutionalized cus I got a c- instead of a B on my report card OMFG the world is ending I got an AVRAGE SCORE!!!!

that must be it consider her whole family has been held back in school and you know the ODD, ADHD, the diabetes, and the HDS, was all my fault... Yeah dealing with my problems when I made her home made chicken soup with fresh baked break (recipes in my family since 1914 not an easy task) when she came down with pneumonia. I guess I'm just a needy selfish bastard. Guess I'm just some jack *** you actually stayed with her when I was getting criticized by everyone I know.

Excuse me for not living a soap opera and keeping my life as simple as possible. Sorry for choosing to stay single so I can focus on my school work and live a half way decent life.

**** you I don't give a **** who you are. I didn't start bashing you, yet you feel it necessary to come in a bash me because of my lifestyle without even taking into consideration what kind of person I may or may not be.

I reiterate, this thread is stupid and pointless and should be closed and deleted. especially if fishy is going to get butt hurt every time someone Say's something.