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  • Pneumagger
    I like 'Mags.

    • Jun 2006
    • 3556

    #16
    Existence is relative.

    Originally posted by Lenny
    Have you ever wondered this?

    Say a star is 2 million light years away. You can see it from your back yard. Ever wonder if the star is really there? Or is it just the light energy finishing it's travel and once all 2 million light years of that energy is past us, we will finally see the end of that star?

    Science makes me confizzled.
    Scientists can tell a stars age by it's spectral output and relative size. Certain star sizes produce certain spectral signatures at certain ages in their life. Knowing this information, and the distance means we will know if it is there or not. We usually see the end of larger stars in supernovas or smaller ones just sorta burning out.

    Now here's something to really think about. Granted, we can calcuate the existence of something with repect to our inertial time reference... but that is like apples to oranges.
    The mere fact that light & gravity are the energy transistion mediums with the fastest velocity means that seeing something is grounds for existence.
    If existence is defined as something being present and detectable by any means... Then whether a visible star is there or not, it can physically effect us - to us, it exists. There are stars that exist in their own inertial time frame and not in ours - because if their light has not reached us and logically we cannot detect them by any "slower" medium... they do not exist.

    Remember... time is relative to respective inertial frames. Something that exists must exist in time and be defined by time. Different inertial frames have different time, and thus different existences. - Think of it like watching a MLB game at a ballpark, everyone experiences the sounds of the game and thier neighbors at a different points in time, just in a different order. Everything in the universe will exist to each other... often just at different times.

    So based on the facts... either everything exists, nothing exists, or only what effects us exists.
    Last edited by Pneumagger; 12-28-2006, 04:06 PM.

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    • Dubstar112
      Dubstar111x
      • Feb 2001
      • 2321

      #17
      Originally posted by Pneumagger
      I once made a pneuframe so massive I could see and shoot enemys behind their bunkers.
      It all boiled down to gravitaional focal lengths and the right size dremmel cut-off wheel.


      /but SP told me they patented time control at some point in the distant future and due the nature of the patent's protected medium that it was dialationally condescending. So they basically told me thier future patents are now enforceable prior to thier conception and recognition.
      Needless to say, I was given the Cease and Desist so I won't be making them for you guys.

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      Good to know that somone of Tom's status seeks "relief" from a sport he helped create. A sport now ruled by a single patent.

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      • Lenny
        I AM the AO famous!
        • Dec 2003
        • 1628

        #18
        Originally posted by Pneumagger
        Scientists can tell a stars age by it's spectral output and relative size. Certain star sizes produce certain spectral signatures at certain ages in their life. Knowing this information, and the distance means we will know if it is there or not. We usually see the end of larger stars in supernovas or smaller ones just sorta burning out.

        Now here's something to really think about. Granted, we can calcuate the existence of something with repect to our inertial time reference... but that is like apples to oranges.
        The mere fact that light & gravity are the energy transistion mediums with the fastest velocity means that seeing something is grounds for existence.
        If existence is defined as something being present and detectable by any means... Then whether a visible star is there or not, it can physically effect us - to us, it exists. There are stars that exist in their own inertial time frame and not in ours - because if their light has not reached us and logically we cannot detect them by any "slower" medium... they do not exist.

        Remember... time is relative to respective inertial frames. Something that exists must exist in time and be defined by time. Different inertial frames have different time, and thus different existences. - Think of it like watching a MLB game at a ballpark, everyone experiences the sounds of the game and thier neighbors at a different points in time, just in a different order. Everything in the universe will exist to each other... often just at different times.

        So based on the facts... either everything exists, nothing exists, or only what effects us exists.
        Yeah yeah. Steven Hawkings always talks about that. The stars real time is it's existence, and it's imaginary time is it's particles existence after the death of the star. Although he points it more towards the existance of a being through a black hole...

        But common man will not be able to calculate whether or not a space item is in actual existance though. If you were to walk outside and look up, just imagine how many stars , nebulas, novas, supernovas, moons, planets, etc. are not actually out there, but yet, you still see them. They no longer exist, but yet, you can see them in existance completely.

        That is just plain wierd.
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        • ahellers
          USCG "I save lives"
          • Jan 2006
          • 681

          #19
          so If we wanted to see how the universe was made, all we have to do is shoot a mirror in to space faster then the speed of light. then when it gets out beond everything we point hubble at it.
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          • lather
            Registered User
            • Jul 2004
            • 591

            #20
            Larry: [to Jennings, while high] Okay. That means that our whole solar system could be, like one tiny atom in the fingernail of some other giant being. [Jennings nods] This is too much! That means one tiny atom in my fingernail could be--
            Jennings: Could be one little tiny universe.
            Larry: Could I buy some pot from you?

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            • Mango
              i cant wait to blog this
              • Feb 2002
              • 4557

              #21
              Amazing!

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              • GoldEagle
                Skirmisher
                • Dec 2006
                • 27

                #22
                Originally posted by ahellers
                so If we wanted to see how the universe was made, all we have to do is shoot a mirror in to space faster then the speed of light. then when it gets out beond everything we point hubble at it.
                t
                So far, physically impossible. You can't travel faster than the speed of light (Or so we think)
                Last edited by GoldEagle; 12-29-2006, 03:06 PM.

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                • Mango
                  i cant wait to blog this
                  • Feb 2002
                  • 4557

                  #23
                  Actually it is possible to measure speeds faster than the speed of light. Also, Tachyon particles move up to twenty times faster than the speed of light. Only a few have been discovered.

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                  • magman007
                    I <3 my Penis
                    • Jun 2001
                    • 7579

                    #24
                    well duh, all we have to do is increase the speed of light!



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                    • Triangle

                      #25
                      Originally posted by rkjunior303
                      thinking about the universe just blows my mind away.
                      Hey man.
                      You ever watch the stars....................on weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed?


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                      • Lenny
                        I AM the AO famous!
                        • Dec 2003
                        • 1628

                        #26
                        Originally posted by GoldEagle
                        So far, physically impossible. You can't travel faster than the speed of light (Or so we think)
                        Actually, they found a way to make sound waves move faster than light. It involves water and some plastic beads or something... It was in science magazine a year or so ago.
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                        • wjr
                          Registered User
                          • Feb 2006
                          • 995

                          #27
                          This was a very interesting presentation GoldEagle.

                          All this talk of time and space makes me want to finish 'Universe in a Nutshell'.

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                          • vivalamexico
                            Registered User
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 175

                            #28
                            Show me empircal evidence that tachyons exist... as of right now along with superbradyons they are hypothetical particles. You should read up on causality and what the implications of a particle with mass traveling at superluminal velocity would have.

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