bye saddam

[flashgordon]

Hate to play the Devil's Advocate here, but how many wrongful deaths do you think that the United States government is responsible for whether by apathy or reckless actions?

They made an example of Saddam. Justice wasn't served. Justice to me implies an equality, it will be a cold day in hell before we see that on this planet.

[FiXeL]

I'm glad Saddam has been put to justice. But I'd like to see the others get it too. Vladimir Putin is directly responsible for millions of deaths during his career in the KGB. But you don't see us condemning him. That's weakness right there and I don't respect it one bit. The communists killed over 50 million confirmed victims and yet we say nothing about the Russian president who is bringing communism back to the country.

Again, Saddam deserved it, but why don't the bigger fish get fried? Why don't the people who killed more victims than Hitler, get hanged in the same way? Shame on president Bush for not calling Putin out on it and acting like he's our ally. It's disgusting to forget the deaths of 10's of millions of people.

That's politics for ya... Remember the spy that got polonium poisoning in london? Clearly the work of russian secret service but i'll bet a case of beer on it nothing will happen. Putin is a dictator, but the U.S.A. has nothing to gain from removing him. Even if they did, it would spark instability in the region. Russia has some nice gas reserves, but i doubt the U.S.A. would be interested in those.. Oil however is what i believe the reason why saddam got what he deserved. If there was no oil, i bet no one would even care about that region of primitive people. Now don't get me wrong, but their religion is just as outdated as the middle ages.

There are things going on in africa that defile any horrific imagination, but no one seems to care about it. Sometimes i think this whole world is going to hell...

Atleast i feel a little better knowing saddam has left this world.

[Lohman446]

In this day and age of misinformation, it is very important to remember the lessons of history. This is a great day for Iraq and the world and people need to understand why. Its not about celebrating someone's death, but about how justice was done.

Show me in history where a occupation force has ever done well in the Middle East, or a "foreign imposed" government? Bringing up knowledge of history and then telling me how it relates to anything we are doing in the middle east, well shows a lack of knowledge of the middle east. Even the "holy Roman Empire" could not take and hold the middle east.

[Lohman446]

yeah great way to keep your country out of turmoil.

either keep your nose clean and do what I say, or I'll exterminate your family.

and comparing saddam's government with ours is the height of ignorant stupidity. DIAF.

::ROLLFRIGGINEYES::

Yeh - cause I am sure are vision of how it was is 100% accurate. Again, I don't condone what he did, but I am sure that people were killed by military action under Paul Bremer - maybe the Iraqis should try him. Oh, I'm sorry, thats right, we can't ever consider histories lessons in consideration to ourselves. Examination and consideration of ones self is after all, the height of ignorant stupidity. Nice acronym, good mature discussion there

[Lohman446]

If there was no oil, i bet no one would even care about that region of primitive people. Now don't get me wrong, but their religion is just as outdated as the middle ages.

There are things going on in africa that defile any horrific imagination, but no one seems to care about it. Sometimes i think this whole world is going to hell...

Atleast i feel a little better knowing saddam has left this world.

Primitive how? Technologically there are far more primitive places on earth. Socially there are far more primitive societies. This is just it, the more we defend our actions and our lack of understanding of the rest of the world, and history, by declaring them to be "not at all like us" the less we learn from the lessons of the rest of the world.

[Nick E]

Eh, I;'m not really happy he's gone. I still think he should be in control of his little ****hole. The entire area doesn't seem to be one that can, at this point, ruled by democracy. The extremist bull**** these people put themselves through is frankly amazing..And it isn't really even the religion. I mean, how many muslims in the states are going around burning flags and rioting....oh right, basically none. And I don't think I'll ever be happy to see someone die, nut job or not. Eh. **** terrorists.

[FiXeL]

Primitive how? Technologically there are far more primitive places on earth. Socially there are far more primitive societies. This is just it, the more we defend our actions and our lack of understanding of the rest of the world, and history, by declaring them to be "not at all like us" the less we learn from the lessons of the rest of the world.

True, there are many places where even more primitive people live.

I don't have anything against muslims, even my former neighbour was one, very civilized and someone you could really count on. (He didnt got his green card and was forced to go back to palestine, or deported as i like to call it) But alot of the people in the region have very low education, and alot of them cannot read and write. These people just accept what their iman says, because he is the wise man... hmm... something reminds me of the roman catholic church a few hundred years ago...

I'm not talking intolerance here, but the cultural, religional and social differences are too great between the middle east and werstern civilisation.
Look it like this: What is your general idea of a middle eastern person? Now, imagine what a person like that would think of us western people... I might think they find us decadent loosebanded pigs without any religion. (being a christian is basicly being a pagan)

A few hundred years ago it was ok to beat your wife if she did something wrong, and men entered the church separatly from the women. Also it was pretty normal to kill anyone that did not have the same belief as you, like roman catholics killing protestants.

In the muslim world you still see this going on, christians being killed for their belief in indonesia, muslim men still beat their wife (even in the countries they emigrated to) and the musk is a men only thing right? These people still live a few hundred years back in time compared to our civilisation.

Not that all muslims are as fanatical about their religion, but alot of them are. If my former neighbour was seen in public drinking a beer, he would be severly punished. (and he drank beer, so a very straight muslim he was not) Also i know Iranians that fled the country because if you did something that was not considered muslim-like, you would get whipped on the local market square in public. Now how civilized is that?

[wanna-b-ballin']

i find it creepy how much my dad and saddam look alike. i swear my dad in the 80's and saddam could be twins.

[ahellers]

how much would it suck right now to be one of saddams look-alikes?
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[Lenny]

nice video of the noose getting applied

http://www.comcast.net/providers/fan...cbsfannews.xml

I already posted that. Look a few posts up.

[Lohman446]

True, there are many places where even more primitive people live.

I don't have anything against muslims, even my former neighbour was one, very civilized and someone you could really count on. (He didnt got his green card and was forced to go back to palestine, or deported as i like to call it) But alot of the people in the region have very low education, and alot of them cannot read and write. These people just accept what their iman says, because he is the wise man... hmm... something reminds me of the roman catholic church a few hundred years ago...

I'm not talking intolerance here, but the cultural, religional and social differences are too great between the middle east and werstern civilisation.
Look it like this: What is your general idea of a middle eastern person? Now, imagine what a person like that would think of us western people... I might think they find us decadent loosebanded pigs without any religion. (being a christian is basicly being a pagan)

A few hundred years ago it was ok to beat your wife if she did something wrong, and men entered the church separatly from the women. Also it was pretty normal to kill anyone that did not have the same belief as you, like roman catholics killing protestants.

In the muslim world you still see this going on, christians being killed for their belief in indonesia, muslim men still beat their wife (even in the countries they emigrated to) and the musk is a men only thing right? These people still live a few hundred years back in time compared to our civilisation.

Not that all muslims are as fanatical about their religion, but alot of them are. If my former neighbour was seen in public drinking a beer, he would be severly punished. (and he drank beer, so a very straight muslim he was not) Also i know Iranians that fled the country because if you did something that was not considered muslim-like, you would get whipped on the local market square in public. Now how civilized is that?

Iraq, was one of the most religous tolerant muslim countries in the area. Granted, we are not talking American religious freedom here. The government was ultra secular, in fact one of the reasons we see all the religous executions (killings) was that it forbade religous leaders from practicing politics. Today there are still standing Christian churches and Jewish synagogues (granted, two, but that still makes plural). The Kurds in Iraq had more freedom (before the US backed attempt to overthrow Saddam) than the Kurds in Turkey. Was Iraq this bastian of Western civilazation? Not at all. But compare it regionally...

I'm not defending Saddam or Iraq as being perfect. Nor am I objecting to the death sentence handed down and carried out by his countrymen in an open court of law pursuant to the laws of his country and open to international witness. However, a lot of what we think we know about Iraq was either caused by us, or simply not being aware of the historical facts.

[REDRT]

Let the yahoos kill themselves. Every so often lets bomb whos left and be home for the 6 O'clock news. In the mean time let us worry about #1, "America".

[GoldEagle]

In the mean time let us worry about #1, "America".

Ever heard of the Fall of Rome?

[REDRT]

Ever heard of the Fall of Rome?

Sure, but the USA isn't Rome. Most of the world hates us because we get involved in the name of American interests. Even though we spend what billions/ trillions on aid to the world? I say let them feel what it is like to not have our good old green backs lining their pockets. The same pockets that spend it to one day hurt us. Screw them! Let them kill themselves with their civil wars. When it is all said and done we'll be better off for it. In the mean time the very fiber of the US is being torn apart. Let us work on that with our full resources instead of trying to be everyones big brother.

[Lohman446]

Sure, but the USA isn't Rome. Most of the world hates us because we get involved in the name of American interests. Even though we spend what billions/ trillions on aid to the world? I say let them feel what it is like to not have our good old green backs lining their pockets. The same pockets that spend it to one day hurt us. Screw them! Let them kill themselves with their civil wars. When it is all said and done we'll be better off for it. In the mean time the very fiber of the US is being torn apart. Let us work on that with our full resources instead of trying to be everyones big brother.

Ask James Madison about isolationism. Preferably in a historical context after he had to flee DC in front of an invading army.