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  • Pneumagger
    I like 'Mags.

    • Jun 2006
    • 3556

    #16
    Originally posted by RRfireblade
    In simplest terms , the tip is a material matrix that reacts differently to temperature conditions.

    Below certain temps , like that of cold steel , the tip contracts at impact and lowers friction coefficient to allow it to stay solid at impact and 'slip' thru the metal. At warmer temps (human) it shifts the opposite direction and ramps the friction coefficient which causes the tip to turn to near powder form. From that point , the rest of the bullet is like a mini grenade. It does all this in fractions of a millisecond and with a good deal of reliability and dependability.

    Nothing short of amazing that the theory works at all.
    It seems to work in a lab. Although, on a sunny day steel sitting in the sun is way hotter than a human, and has more thermal inertia too.

    /sorry if my previous post offended anyone tuna. (i was joking on the intarnetz)

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    • RRfireblade

      • Jun 2002
      • 5103

      #17
      Oh it works here in Florida too , on a bright sunny 80* day.
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      • iambored
        I dare YOU to think!
        • Jul 2006
        • 463

        #18
        Originally posted by RRfireblade
        In simplest terms , the tip is a material matrix that reacts differently to temperature conditions.

        Below certain temps , like that of cold steel , the tip contracts at impact and lowers friction coefficient to allow it to stay solid at impact and 'slip' thru the metal. At warmer temps (human) it shifts the opposite direction and ramps the friction coefficient which causes the tip to turn to near powder form. From that point , the rest of the bullet is like a mini grenade. It does all this in fractions of a millisecond and with a good deal of reliability and dependability.

        Nothing short of amazing that the theory works at all.
        And I was hoping it was just high velocity since metals and organic tissue absorb different amounts of energy

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        • Cold Steel
          Pain Purifies
          • Oct 2006
          • 47

          #19
          Can you say cop-killer?

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          • RRfireblade

            • Jun 2002
            • 5103

            #20
            For right now they are for Military and Law Enforcement use only.

            FYI , all bullets are potential cop killers.

            It's not the bullet that makes a one person kill another.
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            • Piranti
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              • Jun 2006
              • 486

              #21
              Right now they are calling them 'Frangible' munitions. Mainly intended for military and law enforcement. Have seen them work both ways, and the physics and chemistry behind them is nothing short of amazing. I would not truely rely on thier ability to do what they claim but simply reduce significantly the undesired effects of normal munitions. Like firing at a terrorist on an airliner. Kill the terrorist and not break the pressure seal of the cabin. The other type which explode flesh after passing through steel or other hard surcase are technically against the geneva conventions. As that states only munitions fired from a rifle or handgun need ot be metal jacketed and intended to pass through a human. (Or something to that effect exact details I am not not exactly familiar with)

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              • Cold Steel
                Pain Purifies
                • Oct 2006
                • 47

                #22
                Most new weapons and munitions are created for a military or law enforcement application. Unfortunately, these items sooner or later wind up in the wrong hands. In this day and age, money can buy anything.

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                • iambored
                  I dare YOU to think!
                  • Jul 2006
                  • 463

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Piranti
                  Right now they are calling them 'Frangible' munitions. Mainly intended for military and law enforcement. Have seen them work both ways, and the physics and chemistry behind them is nothing short of amazing. I would not truely rely on thier ability to do what they claim but simply reduce significantly the undesired effects of normal munitions. Like firing at a terrorist on an airliner. Kill the terrorist and not break the pressure seal of the cabin. The other type which explode flesh after passing through steel or other hard surcase are technically against the geneva conventions. As that states only munitions fired from a rifle or handgun need ot be metal jacketed and intended to pass through a human. (Or something to that effect exact details I am not not exactly familiar with)
                  Yeah I thought the Geneva Convetion did that too.

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                  • RRfireblade

                    • Jun 2002
                    • 5103

                    #24
                    Basically correct.

                    There are a variety of frangible projectiles , this is one of the more advanced. Blazers , for an example, were one of the earlier rounds. They were pretty much incased buck shot that expelled after impact.

                    Geneva convention stated that during war time activities, nothing more than jacketed 'ball' style ammo. Nothing frangible , carrying toxin or expanding primarily to the difficulty and danger it creates for civilian and medical personal.

                    Turned out it was good military strategy as well , kill one soldier and you kill just one soldier. Wound him and you take him out of combat as well and 2-3 others needed to move him to safety.
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                    • edweird
                      IP lawsuits > innovation
                      • Dec 2001
                      • 1859

                      #25
                      how does it handle diffrent twist rates? I am only worried that my 1/7 barrel will tear that round up.

                      as for the Geneva Convention, dont expect an expedious ruling from the JAG, IIRC the controversy that finally led to the use of Sierra MatchKing 168-grain match grade boat tail by snipers took quite awhile. The good thing is there is special legal president for them to lean on.

                      the weird turn of this all is that ball 5.56's primary kill mechanisim is fragmentation by design, so this round as ive been led to understand only preforms this function in a more efficent and lethal manner.

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                      • RRfireblade

                        • Jun 2002
                        • 5103

                        #26
                        Don't really have that much data but it doesn't seem to have any adverse effects to different bore designs. I haven't tested them in that great a detail , my work is in other areas.
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