Barack Obama

[maxama10]

While I disagree with most of his policies and stances this is something I can support:

Obama has expressed support for telecommunications legislation to protect network neutrality on the internet: "It is because the Internet is a neutral platform that I can put out this podcast and transmit it over the Internet without having to go through any corporate media middleman. I can say what I want without censorship or without having to pay a special charge. But the big telephone and cable companies want to change the Internet as we know it."[83]

From Wikipedia...


However, this strikes me as a little odd:

Hooray (serious):

His first law was passed with Republican Tom Coburn, a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars are spent.

Hooraysarcasm)
(from his website)

Soon after, he returned to Chicago to practice as a civil rights lawyer

Good:

Semi-interesting site:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Barack_Obama.htm

WOW

Free public college for any student with B-average. (Jul 1998)

Wheres that money coming from?

Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)

YAY just what we need!

lots more to read....

-Max

[bornl33t]

Eh, I don't like his stances on, oh, just about everything. He won't get any conservative votes, plus he has the fact he is black going against him. (Anyone who says that racism won't lose him votes is an idiot).

The Republicans can pull off a win again. They have stronger candidates so far. Giuliani and McCain are both good candidates who can appeal to Republicans AND Democrats.

The Dems once again are being handed a golden opportunity yet can only find losers like Obama and Clinton to put up there.

Yeah, and herein lies the problem. They are trying to appeal to both parties and even if they get elected it's still going to be a loss for the conservatives. Why are there left and moderate candidates all the time but no rights? I will probably vote for one of them, as they are the less of two evils but I won't be happy with anyone.

[FactsOfLife]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070116/...l_pr/obama2008
It looks like Barack Obama will be running for President in 2008. I am just curious how many people from both sides of the spectrum would vote for him. I am a pretty conservative, but I would definitely consider it. It would depend on the other candidates and where he places himself on certain issues. He seems moderate now, but who knows what he might do to win the nod from the Democratic Party. I think he could win by himself, but he may "play politics" some. Post any opinions here, but please do try to be civil and not get this thread deleted.

lemme know when he's actually accomplished something.

btw, if Shrillary decides she wants to run, obama gets picked vp.

McCain does NOT appeal to Republicans, he appeals to RINOs, big difference.

then again, I used to think that Republican was synonymous with Conservative. Friggin sellouts.

[Piranti]

Personally I do not think he has a snowballs chance in hell of being elected. He has too many things going against him. One he is black, even though for most this is not an issue, there are still alot who just because of this will vote against, and only an idiot would deny this. He has no national security or military experience. From above quotes he does seem to waffle a bit on border security from things I could support to things I aboslutely would vote against. His social views are too far left. Like the above quote for an example of making college education free to everyone who makes a b or better average, nope that reduces the value of a high school diploma even more and also depreciates the value of a 4 year degree. Fix the initial problem and make the high school diploma worth what it used to be. Higher education is not for everybody, and access to the centers for higher learning should be for those who deserve it. Make it easier for underpriviledge children access to funding to attend.
Gun control, sorry I do not beleive in it to the degrees which alot on the left want. Guns do not kill people, people do. Criminals will have easy access to weapons of any type, while normal law abiding citizens will not. This also leaves the population defenseless against what our founding fathers feared, a government's total control of its populace. Register and hold databases of rifling and striker pin's of every firearm sold with registration fine, that I can live with, I do not like it but would give the law enforcement what they require for their solving of crimes done by law abiding citizens. (sorry got a bit carried away here)

So far really none of the proposed candidates for either side are appealing. Only time will tell what these 'candidates' will turn out to be like.

[Lohman446]

Personally I do not think he has a snowballs chance in hell of being elected. He has too many things going against him. One he is black, even though for most this is not an issue, there are still alot who just because of this will vote against, and only an idiot would deny this.

I always thought it would be a plus. Although there are a lot of people who will not vote for someone because he is black is there not a great number of people who normally do not vote that would vote for him because he is black?

[Tunaman]

"Instead of spending money hand over fist to help people be lazy, we need to be spending that same money getting them trained so they can get jobs...I do NOT like the democrat approach, and the republicans haven't been doing any better lately."



Thanks Tuna for removing all of my opinions from my post...but that's OK, I can delete your opinions from my post as well

I thought I was quoting the article. I am sorry about that. I really had no intentions of removing your opinions.

[Draken]

Obama did favor legislation similar to Work for Welfare while in IL IIRC... I like that idea of working or actively seeking work to get benefits. I will double check on this though...

I'm not talking about work for welfare or anything like that...I understand people need help sometimes, but when you are 20 and in good health, you get ZERO welfare. Sorry, its a sore point for me living in Michigan, the Welfare Wonderland.

Unenployment is fine while you are looking for a job, disability is fine, a little help to make ends meet is fine is you are truely working your butt off and not sitting at home smoking crack and being a baby factory (yes, we have a HUGE problem here with this).

If all the money put into welfare were put into job skills training, we would have a larger tax base of workers, and therefore a lower tax burden on the rest of us.

[BigEvil]

then again, I used to think that Republican was synonymous with Conservative. Friggin sellouts.

QFT.

Looks like my country needs me to run...


Vote BigE in '08

[grEnAlEins]

I'm not talking about work for welfare or anything like that...I understand people need help sometimes, but when you are 20 and in good health, you get ZERO welfare. Sorry, its a sore point for me living in Michigan, the Welfare Wonderland.

I know what you mean. I go to school here and see it. It does suck and is killing your economy along with other policy that your governor has implemented. She is purdy awful... (and not that it matters to her candidacy, but she is also hideous ) And I think work for welfare is a good plan. It forces people to work first, and use welfare as a supplement in the event that they cannot get by on what they earn. It at least keeps them employed and forces them to have a means off of welfare. Couple this with a time limit on how long one can collect, and I think it would be a winning system.

Gun control, sorry I do not beleive in it to the degrees which alot on the left want.

Just FYI, God supports gun control. Think about it. He gave you two hands. One for manipulation of a trigger, and another for optimum control

The Republicans can pull off a win again. They have stronger candidates so far. Giuliani and McCain are both good candidates who can appeal to Republicans AND Democrats.

As much as I would like to see either, I do not think Giuliani would take the bible belt due to his stance on abortion (he is pro choice after all). For a bunch of those folks in the bible belt this is issue number one.
I would love to see McCain run, but I think there will be a lot of backlash towards republicans because of the unpopularity of Bush (whether he deserves it or not, it is there...).

Looks like my country needs me to run...
Vote BigE in '08

[Thordic]

I think the fact Giuliani and McCain are more moderate works to their advantage. The fact right-wing conservatives think they are too centrist is a good thing. A person who has only right-wing or only left-wing viewpoints only represents a small portion of the people. Giuliani and McCain actually represent the PEOPLE, not some small-minded people on the extreme right or left which seem to dominate politics.

Extremists cant seem to get it through their thick heads that the majority of Americans don't want and don't need a President who is far-leaning to either side.

McCain and Giuliani may be unpopular with some Republicans, but if the Democrats have a weak candidate, which seems to be a constant problem for them, they can steal not only a majority of the "thinking" voters (non-party), but they may be able to swing some Democrats as well.

As for backlash against Bush, McCain and Bush have clashed more than a few times, and I expect McCain to make that perfectly clear during an election. The same thing goes for Giuliani, he is NOT in the same mold as Bush at all.

Look at the last election, and how polarized the country became. I've never seen people get so heated over an election before. I had friends almost stop talking to me based on who I was voting for. We can't let another election between extremes tear this country apart again. We need a strong leader who can bring together the gap between Democrats and Republicans.

[grEnAlEins]

I think the fact Giuliani and McCain are more moderate works to their advantage. The fact right-wing conservatives think they are too centrist is a good thing. A person who has only right-wing or only left-wing viewpoints only represents a small portion of the people. Giuliani and McCain actually represent the PEOPLE, not some small-minded people on the extreme right or left which seem to dominate politics.

Extremists cant seem to get it through their thick heads that the majority of Americans don't want and don't need a President who is far-leaning to either side.

McCain and Giuliani may be unpopular with some Republicans, but if the Democrats have a weak candidate, which seems to be a constant problem for them, they can steal not only a majority of the "thinking" voters (non-party), but they may be able to swing some Democrats as well.

As for backlash against Bush, McCain and Bush have clashed more than a few times, and I expect McCain to make that perfectly clear during an election. The same thing goes for Giuliani, he is NOT in the same mold as Bush at all.

Look at the last election, and how polarized the country became. I've never seen people get so heated over an election before. I had friends almost stop talking to me based on who I was voting for. We can't let another election between extremes tear this country apart again. We need a strong leader who can bring together the gap between Democrats and Republicans.

I am not saying that they would not be great candidates, not at all. In fact I would love to see either, or both for that matter, run. All I said was I am not sure if they would win within the party without taking the bible belt. This is what carries the Republican party usually. This is not necessarily a good thing in my mind, but it is the truth... I think Giuliani could win an election against a Democrat, I think he would do great in office too. But I am not sure if he could win the Republican nomination because of some of his stances. I could see myself voting for him though. I would likely vote for him in fact. But I do not believe that other will necessarily do this. That's all I am saying.

[Thordic]

Ah, I see what you mean. I agree. Neither Giuliani nor McCain will have an easy time getting the Republican nomination. Giuliani may actually have an easier time than McCain. Giuliani has campaigned his butt off for numerous Republicans, gaining favors in the process I'm sure. McCain, on the other hand, has pissed off more than his share of Republicans over the past half decade or so.