traffic ticket question.

[maxama10]

and im sure this isny my last ticket, im not done being dumb at 16.

I was cool with the entire thread until this. Youre ruining it for the rest of us. Youre just another statistic for them to use against us.

[bleachit]

and im sure this isny my last ticket, im not done being dumb at 16.

please, stop being dumb, period.

if you have that attitude you have a good chance of hurting someone. seriously. stupid people on the road should be shot. In case you haven't figured it out yet, cars are fast and heavy and hurt when they hit people.

do us all a favor and dont drive anymore.

[Lohman446]

well ill pay the ticket.. this definatly isnt my first.. and im not one bit mad about it..i was being an idiot. and got a ticket.. o well it happens.. but my friends mom doesnt think the cop did his job right and wants to fight it.. as for me, i sent my check out today for them. and im sure this isny my last ticket, im not done being dumb at 16.

Good call - and I would not help your buddy fight it either, he was the idiot who called you.

As to those who are going to say "oh it was so dangerous" I'm going to tell you that racing is of course dangerous, that being said you were probably on an empty road and posed little to no risk to anyone else, it happens.

[Steelrat]

I dislike patrol police with a passion. My beleif on speeding is that if I can control my vehicle at a high rate of speed I should get a pat on the back instead of a ticket. The only problem is that I am not the only person on the road so I have to obey local laws.

Okay Mario Andretti. I guess you know more about driving safety than the police and transportation engineers.

Don't you people realize that public roads are not your personal playground?

[Steelrat]

The cop cannot answer your phone without express consent. The US Supreme Court ruled (forgot case, will look it up if need be) the electronic devices are to be viewed as containers of information and cannot be opened without warrant (much like a locked suitcase). He violated your 4th amendment right protecting you from search and seizure unless you are not telling the whole story and he had probable cause that and his action prevented eminent danger to the general public.

"Fuzzbusters" can detect X/K/Ka/Kb radiation ("RADAR" that police use), lazers, and some can detect IR. All of these freqs can be scrambled or disrupted. Jammers are illegal in most (if not all states). Detectors are legal in many states. If you had a jammer you would be in a bit of trouble most likely. If you have a $30 K-mart detector he could have clocked you with any of the above methods.

Please, don't turn it into a supreme court case. He didn't search the phone, he just answered it. Plus, I think there is more to the cellphone matter than the poster is letting on. Police officers don't just randomly grab ringing phones from motorists.

[billybob_81067]

The problem is, how do you ever really know for sure that it's an empty road.

When the road is straight as an arrow and you can see for 10 miles and there's no one else on it... want me to get you some pics?

[oneworld]

im sure im not the only one on AO thats gotten a ticket for speeding.

[Steelrat]

im sure im not the only one on AO thats gotten a ticket for speeding.

What's your point?

You and your friend were acting immature and treating a dangerous object like a toy, and you got busted for it.

Time to be a man and take your punishment.

[grEnAlEins]

Please, don't turn it into a supreme court case. He didn't search the phone, he just answered it. Plus, I think there is more to the cellphone matter than the poster is letting on. Police officers don't just randomly grab ringing phones from motorists.

I am sure there is more to the story... but based on what was said my assertion is valid. If oneworld were placed under arrest and had the phone on his person it could be a different story (depending on where this occurred). If the officer did anything to alter the state of the phone (flipped it open, engaged the slide, or pushed a button) it is considered a search. And I am well aware the police officers don't just randomly answer people's phones

Please also note that I did say that they should pay the tickets.

[Steelrat]

I am sure there is more to the story... but based on what was said my assertion is valid. If oneworld were placed under arrest and had the phone on his person it could be a different story (depending on where this occurred). If the officer did anything to alter the state of the phone (flipped it open, engaged the slide, or pushed a button) it is considered a search. And I am well aware the police officers don't just randomly answer people's phones

Please also note that I did say that they should pay the tickets.

I'm guessing what probably happened is that Oneworld told the officer that his buddy had been going faster and hadn't been busted, or the officer overheard oneworld talking to his buddy on the phone about how he was lucky he hadn't been busted. The officer wouldn't just grab a ringing phone and ask "Are you the other driver that was speeding?"

As for the search, answering a phone doesn't constitute ANY sort of search. What WOULD constitute a search is if the officer had scrolled through the numbers, checked the photos on the phone, etc etc. I mean, what are you going to do, get a search warrant before the 5th ring? Oneworld said the officer didn't get his permission, which implies that oneworld didn't object to him answering the phone either.

And how would him being under arrest make a difference? The only searches allowed in an arrest are to check for dangerous items and a general inventory search before incarceration. And you can do a seach for dangerous items even without an arrest (Terry stop). If you found a phone, and wanted to grab the information off of it, you'd still be better off getting a warrant.

[grEnAlEins]

I'm guessing what probably happened is that Oneworld told the officer that his buddy had been going faster and hadn't been busted, or the officer overheard oneworld talking to his buddy on the phone about how he was lucky he hadn't been busted. The officer wouldn't just grab a ringing phone and ask "Are you the other driver that was speeding?"

As for the search, answering a phone doesn't constitute ANY sort of search. What WOULD constitute a search is if the officer had scrolled through the numbers, checked the photos on the phone, etc etc. I mean, what are you going to do, get a search warrant before the 5th ring? Oneworld said the officer didn't get his permission, which implies that oneworld didn't object to him answering the phone either.

And how would him being under arrest make a difference? The only searches allowed in an arrest are to check for dangerous items and a general inventory search before incarceration. And you can do a seach for dangerous items even without an arrest (Terry stop). If you found a phone, and wanted to grab the information off of it, you'd still be better off getting a warrant.

If placed under arrest with a portable device on your person, the police can look at information on it (it was a pager in the actual case) expectation of privacy is gone once information reaches the device. Police looked through a pager after an arrest as part of a search incident to arrest. It was decided to be a lawful search and I guess I just assumed that it would carry over to to a phone and PDAs and stuff like that. Then again I forgot to ask where this took place, as it was a circuit court that made the decision IIRC... I can go find the decision and re-read part of it to make sure I understood it correctly, but that was my understanding of it. I may very well be misunderstanding something, it was a long and boring read and my mind was drifting a little...

[Lohman446]

What's your point?

You and your friend were acting immature and treating a dangerous object like a toy, and you got busted for it.

Time to be a man and take your punishment.

He admitted it, is paying the fine, and is sure in the future to make more mistakes - some of which one can attribute to youthful stupidity. Whats the problem?

[Steelrat]

He admitted it, is paying the fine, and is sure in the future to make more mistakes - some of which one can attribute to youthful stupidity. Whats the problem?

The part about doing it again. He knows he was in the wrong, but is going to do it again?People with that kind of attitude get innocent people killed.

[maxama10]

The part about doing it again. He knows he was in the wrong, but is going to do it again?People with that kind of attitude get innocent people killed.

and soil others names

[Lohman446]

The part about doing it again. He knows he was in the wrong, but is going to do it again?People with that kind of attitude get innocent people killed.

I read it differently than you do I think. I doubt he repeats the same mistake, but at 16 I think he is fully aware he is going to make mistakes. It sounds a lot better than the "perfect" teenagers that are so worried he is going to dirty there reputation.