Windows Vista

[cyrus-the-virus]

This thread reminds me of a bullet train heading twards a 20 foot thick titanuim wall.

Absoultly no good will come out of it.

[Miscue]

I'm not interested in Vista at all from a user's perspective. Although... it has some cool stuff for .NET development that I'm a bit excited about.

[skriptal]

Why is this lame? It's a freaking upgrade. You want to be able to do a clean install? Buy the full OS. It's not like it's deceptive advertising, you're getting what you pay for.

I'm not surprised at the MS-bashing tilt this thread is taking (not directed at you bornl33t).

A you CAN do a clean install from an upgrade, you just need to have a previous OS on the harddrive. then you can format everything and start a new. or buy a mouse and get the OEM version for cheap.paying full retail is idiotic though.

[Miscue]

Generally a bad idea to do an upgrade over an existing version... historically. Except maybe Windows for Workgroups on top of MS-DOS.

Otherwise, it's better to install from scratch.

[skriptal]

Generally a bad idea to do an upgrade over an existing version... historically. Except maybe Windows for Workgroups on top of MS-DOS.

Otherwise, it's better to install from scratch.

Again, you CAN do a clean install from an upgrade version. you can have it format the drive then install windows. you do not have to do an upgrade.

[robnix]

http://www.windowsitpro.com/mobile/pda/Article.cfm?ArticleID=95011&News=1

[bornl33t]

I'm not interested in Vista at all from a user's perspective. Although... it has some cool stuff for .NET development that I'm a bit excited about.

what is .net? Just out of cuiosity. I never let windows undate download it so I think it's interesting that you like it so much?

[WickeDKlowN]

I ran Vista Ultimate on my box for a couple days, but it was a tad sluggish (A64 3000+ and 512MB RAM, not the best specs) so I went back to XP. Overall I was quite pleased with it, though. I'll gladly buy it when I build a new desktop in the coming months.

[robnix]

I'll gladly buy it when I build a new desktop in the coming months.

You won't have any choice.

[punkncat]

I'm not surprised at the MS-bashing tilt this thread is taking

Ever since SP2 Microsoft pretty much deserves any bashing it gets.

Notice when you get a new computer you don't get a OS disk with? Its a partition on the hard drive. So then you end up getting some evil bug that won't allow the average user to reboot the OS. Once you format, the license that is pasted to the side of your computer is no good to you.
So then you are supposed to spend more on a license for Windows than it cost just to buy another cheap computer?

Maybe I am missing something. I know just enough about computers to be dangerous to myself and my machines.....

/end hijack

[skriptal]

Ever since SP2 Microsoft pretty much deserves any bashing it gets.

Notice when you get a new computer you don't get a OS disk with? Its a partition on the hard drive. So then you end up getting some evil bug that won't allow the average user to reboot the OS. Once you format, the license that is pasted to the side of your computer is no good to you.
So then you are supposed to spend more on a license for Windows than it cost just to buy another cheap computer?

Maybe I am missing something. I know just enough about computers to be dangerous to myself and my machines.....

/end hijack

/unend hijack

This is not MS, this is the Cheap Computer retailers attempting to charge you more money by selling you a bigger HD so you can have more usable space, and B so they dont have to purchase all the CDs
/reend hijcack

Now on the topic of clean installs, This is different from what i have actually installed. On my parent's laptop What i believe was an upgrade version we were able to format the drive then install Vista, no old programs or any of the old XP crap. What i have heard but not confirmed was that your XP license become invalid after the install. Which is something i do not like.

I am not an MS fanboy or anything of the sort, I do own vista but use XP on my main computer because Vista feels bloated and slow on my computer which is a Intel core2 E6600 with 2gb ram and 7950 GT. Something that is WELL about the minimum requirements of Vista. It is my belief that MS should have done a better job optimizing their code and made it more effecent so more computers could run it. Ill end my rant now.

[robnix]

/unend hijack

This is not MS, this is the Cheap Computer retailers attempting to charge you more money by selling you a bigger HD so you can have more usable space, and B so they dont have to purchase all the CDs
/reend hijcack

Not true. About 2001 or so, MS tried getting all OEM's to put the recovery data on a hidden hard drive partition. They offered incentives like cheaper licensing to do so. The idea was to keep
CD's out of consumer hands that could be used to install the operating system on a different computer than the one that the OS was sold with. This sucks if you're out of warranty and have a catastrophic hard drive failure. Luckily you can contact the manufacturer of your PC and have them send you install CD's.

[skriptal]

Not true. About 2001 or so, MS tried getting all OEM's to put the recovery data on a hidden hard drive partition. They offered incentives like cheaper licensing to do so. The idea was to keep
CD's out of consumer hands that could be used to install the operating system on a different computer than the one that the OS was sold with. This sucks if you're out of warranty and have a catastrophic hard drive failure. Luckily you can contact the manufacturer of your PC and have them send you install CD's.

There is a major loophole in the OS install. You can use the upgrade disc for a full install

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932

[robnix]

There is a major loophole in the OS install. You can use the upgrade disc for a full install
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932

I posted this about 5 posts up. Different website, same information.

[sbpyro]

my original complaint is gone

But figure I'd link this

http://www.maximumpc.com/2007/01/10_reasons_you.html

http://www.maximumpc.com/2006/10/microsofts_lice.html

but apparently they have changed it.