Global Warming is Man made, True or False?

[MoeMag]

[warbeak2099]

I would like to think I know more on the subject then the average Joe due in part to my major's dealings with it (we even have a polar research center that receives ice cores from 12 sites around the world). What we discover through our data analysis is that of course we in no way started global warming, were still coming out of a freaking ice age from 18,000 years ago. Yet, since the advent of Industrial Revolutions, it is now becoming clear that greenhouse gas emissions are effecting the natural process by speeding it up. At our present level we are matching and all time level for CO2 in the atmosphere for the past ~1,000,000 years aka as far back as ice cores go(roughly meaning the end of a greenhouse period and the start of an icehouse period in geologic terms).

The said thing is that many idiots will not listen to you or other qualified commentators since your story is not nearly as exciting or it doesn't tie in with what the crooked media and the idito politicians are saying. However, know that many people do realize what you say. It's just that the fat lazy idiots will go on whatever the New York Times says or whatever Al Gore pumps into some stupid movie. Ignorance is exciting in this case, and they don't want to be educated on the fact or listen to actual scientists. Oh well, as long as those lemmings are nothing more than an annoyance then I don't care. But if they start trying to like do something about a situation that doesn't exist, then we're screwed.

[Aggravated Assault]

...We cannot deny that emissions are causing BIG problems and that the human race has managed to destroy a large portion of creation in a very little amount of time...
You can't deny the facts guys...
Put all theories and disputes of truth behind. Embrace what is right before you

Just cracked me up so much I had to quote. I just love the brook-no-argument approach of the manmade global warming crowd. Nevermind going out to study it from all angles or dispute theories when facts may not support them...Global warming just HAS to be real!!! I mean some 50 year old guy just said,where he lives, its been getting WARMER over his lifetime!!

http://epw.senate.gov/speechitem.cfm?party=rep&id=263759

Its about 5 months old, a long read, but brings up a lot of relevant things.

If you are in the "global warming is gonna destroy the planet unless we sign KYOTO" crowd, dont go to that link. Like you would anyway. Facts are such silly little things you know.

[Phillips]

It is a readily accepted WORLDWIDE views that it is, infact there is little to no debate on the fact that global warming exists, and that it is partly caused by man kind.( obviously emissions from cattle and volcanoes ect are a factor), aswell as the fact the Earth is on a hotter "cycle", our emissions have simply sped up the process of global warming, to a dangerouse degree.

Companies like Exxon however have funded research that to the unknowing eye looks to condem the global warming idea, please before using research liek this to validate your posts make sure it is published in the correct way and is valid it'self, not many people know that unless research is validated propperly any company can use it to it's own ends.

Global warming is as readily accepted as evolution. The global warming we see today has been sped up by human intervention, the English Government views global warming as a national security risk just to give you an idea of how dangerous this can become in furture times.

p.s. It was uncovered around 2004 that Exxon ( I believe that is spelt correctly) funded multiple studies all of which condemed global warming as a theory and all of which where invalid.

p.p.s. Once you understand the science it seems idiotic not to consider that the human race is having a sizeable impact on global warming, take the reduction in the gulf stream for instance.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/internatio...727167,00.html a Little reading with a valid source.

[ntn4502]

heres a nice little graph for the naysayers

[Phillips]

There is a HOLE in the ozone layer. Not a little one that's shrinking but a BIG one that's expanding:



And that's only until 1998, imagine the size of it now.

The problem is that as we increase our output of greenhouse gases (we create MORE each day rather than LESS), the forests (the "lungs of the planet") are shrinking.



BigEvil, you're right, people do follow the money. The goal of a business is to make money. The goal of a Chinese government employee is to make their stats look pretty on paper so they can get a promotion--if they cared about the environment their production would go down, they would look bad, and they wouldn't get the promotion. I know that's a specific case, but it's a pretty basic business heirarchy where the lower guys will do whatever it takes to make more money and get ahead in life

edit: I used a Chinese gov't employee as an example because I just watched a documentary on China and read a book about it. The pollution in China has increased exponentially since 1950. Once beautiful lakes and rivers are now unswimmable. Rivers are so polluted that dead fish regularly wash up on the shores. Irrigation have caused one might rivers to slow to a trickle. They are building canals hundreds of miles long so they can pump water from southern china to northern China (the leader of the project said "God wasn't fair to southern china, so we are correcting God's mistakes). It's really hard to imagine the scale of the pollution in China and what it will be in the next decade of two.

Just one small point, our forest's actually are a very small propourtion of the Eaths "lungs",( this is just incase anyone throws up the argument that is is down to de forestation ect.) Algey(sp?) is the largest "lung" source.

[Altimas]

I read that in a Dirk Pitt novel and was interesting to find out how true that is.

[bleachit]

heres a nice little graph for the naysayers

so...

when did the scientific community change "correlation does not mean causation"

to "correlation, when concerning global warming, means absolute truth"

[robnix]

heres a nice little graph for the naysayers

Here's a nice little graph showing sunspot activity and global temperatures.



From the webpage:

On longer time scales, the sun has shown considerable variability, including the long Maunder Minimum when almost no sunspots were observed, the less severe Dalton Minimum, and increased sunspot activity during the last fifty years, known as the Modern Maximum. The causes for these variations are not well understood, but because sunspots and associated faculae affect the brightness of the sun, solar luminosity is lower during periods of low sunspot activity. It is widely believed that the low solar activity during the Maunder Minimum and earlier periods may be among the principle causes of the Little Ice Age. Similarly, the Modern Maximum is partly responsible for global warming, especially the temperature increases between 1900 and 1950. Residual warming due to the sustained high level of activity since 1950 is believed responsible for 16 to 36% of recent warming (Stott et al. 2003).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sunspot_Numbers.png

So what's the major cause? Co2? Sunspots? I can cherry pick more data and graphs to support either side of this issue.

[CKY_Alliance]

I believe it's a cycle, but who cares we are all going to die eventually.

[bornl33t]

heres a nice little graph for the naysayers

I guess I didn't realize that human kind had the equipment to measure co2 in the atmosphere 1000 years ago, and for that matter they started tracking global warming a little early?

[don miguel]

the global warming thing is just climate change. dosen;t that happen around every 100 years anyway?

[warbeak2099]

I guess I didn't realize that human kind had the equipment to measure co2 in the atmosphere 1000 years ago, and for that matter they started tracking global warming a little early?

They didn't, that crap is big fat load. What we do know conclusively is that only 5% of "global warming" is caused by man-made sources. The other 95% is natural. But people don't want to believe that because they need some kind of hysteria to add interest to their lives. As long as we don't let them pass any legislation or do anything important based on their unfactual data, everything will be fine. Hopefully they'll go the way of the bird flu jokers.

[gimp]

According to this graph I just made, global warming might not be a bad thing. I just hope I live long enough to reap the benefits of global warming.

[Phillips]

Re-submit this WITHOUT the cursing. Army