Global Warming is Man made, True or False?

[ntn4502]

I guess I didn't realize that human kind had the equipment to measure co2 in the atmosphere 1000 years ago, and for that matter they started tracking global warming a little early?

A THOUSAND YEARS! Hell we can go way farther back then that...its what I do(hopefully will be getting the chance for a trip to Antarctica in the near future)

We drill the hole extract the core, saw it in half, and run tests that Im sure warbreak couldn't grasp. One such tests involves running an electrical probe across the sample to test for conductivity which then gives a picture of the chemical make-up of our atmosphere at a given time

The more you know...

[Phillips]

They didn't, that crap is big fat load. What we do know conclusively is that only 5% of "global warming" is caused by man-made sources. The other 95% is natural. But people don't want to believe that because they need some kind of hysteria to add interest to their lives. As long as we don't let them pass any legislation or do anything important based on their unfactual data, everything will be fine. Hopefully they'll go the way of the bird flu jokers.

There are OTHEr methods for measuring co2 emissions 1000 years ago, just look at what your own government believes and what to put a finer point THE ENTIRE WORLD believes.

5% in the scheme of things would still be a HUGE amount, we are talking a MORE, thats a huge amount.

Im leaving this thread now, please just look outside wiki and us based sources for once.( not all of you obviously)

[don miguel]

screw global warming, we just got around 2-3 feet of snow in mass.

[Phillips]

ever herd of global cooling?

[maxama10]

Scientists have been proving that global warming is a reality. However, there is no significant data showing that it is man-made. There is significant data that shows the warming of the earth has been natural, and that human influence is minimal if not irrelevant. The global warming crisis that the media and politicians have created is a sham and people who buy into it are ignorant sheep. Probably the same people who believed the bird flu would be an epidemic. Be smart and listen to the scientists, not the greasy politicians and the crooked media.

QFT



Not to mention, even if it is all man made and we are destroying ourselves, what about China? As mentioned, theyre growing rapidly. More and more are driving cars and there is more and more polution. Are we (America)going to go over there and regulate? Is the UN? Im skeptical. Just a thought...

[Army]

Once again I ask; What is so bad about palm trees and bikinis on the beach in Nova Scotia?

Global warming? Well, last time I hiked the Great Glacier National Park in the state of KanOkTexaUta, I noticed the ice fields seemed less firm. Perhaps it was all those Mastadons crunching along, ruining the freeze. Dang those critters anyway

[lather]

Whether global warming is man made or not--still kinda sucks for the polar bears.

[Niox]

Global warming exists, you cannot deny that the earth has got hotter over the years. Whether it is all natural or not still remains.

I believe that it is a natural occurance but man kind has sped it up greatly. You can say that nature produces more harmful gasses than us but that means nothing. We are still producing harmful gasses that are in excess of what is already being put out by cows, volcanoes and Don Miguel. Saying that China wont regulate the amount of Carbon etc emmissions is all well and good but that also doesn't mean that we can do what we want because China does it too. China tries to kill the surplus children of families with more than 1 child; does that mean we should too? NO! We as world leaders should be leading the way by example, not cowering away because we can't have our large engines to power our tiny cars.

Getting rid of most of our harmful emmissions or making the processes that create them more efficient has several major benefits.

1. Automobiles (of all types) are all faster and better performing on the Bio Fuel stuff, quite literally a sugar rush.
2. We no longer are dependant on the turbulant Middle East to provide us with oil.
3. We possibly preserve the Earth for a lil longer before all the ice caps melt and a fair bit of us drown.
4. Lower fuel prices.
5. Cleaner environment for ourselves and our Children.
6. Think of all the bunnies!

The reason why this doen't happen is because all the big oil companies will loose a good portion of their financial takings as Bio Fuel is easy and cheap to produce so they can no longer charge high prices.

Nice graph Gimp, shame it can't be scientifically proven or agreed upon could do with some more colours but for artistic expression you get a B-.

Much love,
Niox

[SCpoloRicker]

[Dark Side]

Good synopsis. I agree.

The Earth has gone through several "Global Warmings" and we do not exactly understand the cause of those previous ones. We do know that they reduced Ice Caps and raised Ocean levels to three times their initial level. We do know that any subsequent Ice Ages did not result in those Ice caps being replaced.

Where those previous Global Warmings the result of some organism that flourished during that time producing excess CO2? Possibly.

Then when the temperature got too high did that organism (or group of organisms) crash and a new Ice age form? Probably... or possibly.

Are we, Man, just the latest Organism to influence this? Probably.

Do we cause there alone as man made? No...

Do we agravate or speed one up once it starts that cycle? Probably.

Can we do anything about it? Probably not.... but we might can slow at least the parts of it that we influence. The rest is meant to be. The Good thing about some of the things we would be working to do would result in other benefits. So, nothing we are proposing to do have a down side overall. The world will change over time. That we already know. And the world will end some point in the far distant future measured on our time frame. In the mean time it will evolve and do its thing.

Yep.

[Muzikman]

I quit reading after the 2nd or 3rd post, so if this has already been said, sorry.

Yes, there is global warming. It's been going on for a very long time (a lot longer than man has been around). If it wasn't we would still be a huge ball of ice.

Remember....the ice ages?

[Aggravated Assault]

I believe that it is a natural occurance but man kind has sped it up greatly..

Fact: unprovable opinion

You can say that nature produces more harmful gasses than us but that means nothing.

Of course it means nothing. One cannot tax or levy fines against nature.

Saying that China wont regulate the amount of Carbon etc emmissions is all well and good but that also doesn't mean that we can do what we want because China does it too.

Right, instead we should economically handicap our nation, every american living here, and our place in the global economy, for setting an example greenpeace would be proud of. While others just pick up our slack.

1. Automobiles (of all types) are all faster and better performing on the Bio Fuel stuff, quite literally a sugar rush.

(refering to Ethanol mainly?)
False: The above statement, applied to Ethanol, for example, is almost completly and utterly false.

2. We no longer are dependant on the turbulant Middle East to provide us with oil.

Biofeuls will not free us of foreign energy, nor will we likely ever have anything remotely close to 100 percent domestic energy.

3. We possibly preserve the Earth for a lil longer before all the ice caps melt

unproven opinion

4. Lower fuel prices.

False: again take E85, since that is the flavor of the moment now...If you take avarage price of gas vs e85 and compare milage, its a lot to do over almost no gain in cost/mile.

5. Cleaner environment for ourselves and our Children.

True. Biofuels, by all accounts, are cleaner.

Bio Fuel is easy and cheap to produce so they can no longer charge high prices.

False:There is no consensus that Ethanol is cheaper to produce than comparable fossil fuels and aslo consumes as much or more energy "field to pump".

1 out of 5 aint bad.

[Tunaman]

Global warming MUST be happening! Al Gore says so! We only have 10 years left! Better hurry!

[Niox]

Fact: unprovable opinion

Of course it means nothing. One cannot tax or levy fines against nature.
Right, instead we should economically handicap our nation, every american living here, and our place in the global economy, for setting an example greenpeace would be proud of. While others just pick up our slack.

(refering to Ethanol mainly?)
False: The above statement, applied to Ethanol, for example, is almost completly and utterly false.
Biofeuls will not free us of foreign energy, nor will we likely ever have anything remotely close to 100 percent domestic energy.
unproven opinion
False: again take E85, since that is the flavor of the moment now...If you take avarage price of gas vs e85 and compare milage, its a lot to do over almost no gain in cost/mile.
True. Biofuels, by all accounts, are cleaner.
False:There is no consensus that Ethanol is cheaper to produce than comparable fossil fuels and aslo consumes as much or more energy "field to pump".

1 out of 5 aint bad.

1st Point - Ofcourse it is an unprovable opinion, the theory that space is infinite is an unprovable opinion as we can't find an edge of space, but just to say we can't find the edge doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

2nd Point - Why would you be crippling your economy? I don't know what state the US economy is in right now but I can't see how you would cripple by cutting out oil?

3rd Point - I know what ethenol is and I was not talkiing about Ethenol, hence why I used the word "biofuel stuff" I agree that it is a bit of a broad term to use and it is very inaccurate but I was actually refering to the crushed plant stuff (biomass) that the Nordic countries have been using to replace fossil fuels. Because of the glucose or something contained in the plant stuff it makes cars much more higher performance. I shall try and find a link on it to educate you further, I am a man of very little brains but even I know that Ethenol doesn't contain sugar to give anything the sugar rush I was talking about.

4th Point - I made no claims that it would free any country completely from foreign powers, only the Middle East. Any country can produce Bio Fuels such as Biomass, Ethenol and Wood.

5th Point - Why thankyou.

Summary:

Although you have picked fault with my post you have not posted anything with any proof to disprove my opinions or prove your owns. Also simply posting unproven opinion seems a little umm lacking if you will as that is what this thread and most all the others on the forum are about, opinions. Opinions are best when they are accompanied with proof and facts, but I'm lazy so there we go.

Much love,
Niox

[Niox]

Global warming MUST be happening! Al Gore says so! We only have 10 years left! Better hurry!

With the greatest respect my fishy friend it is not just Al Gore, it is most of the scientific world.

More info

Even more info

I do believe the BBC quoted a figure that the most recent scientific study concluded that there is a 90% chance global warming is caused or accelerated by man kind, this is a fairly high figure but there is still a 10% chance it is all natural.

Stern report info and flaws

^Some more stuff to balance the argument.

Exxon-Mobil accused of bribary

Much love,
Niox