Al Gores inconvienient truth...

[wjr]

If you do not understand the idea that this movement is a fear tactic, watch the news sometime. Watch how the idea is presented and the story is covered. "90% of the land mass will FLOOD FLOOD FLOOD! When will it happen? SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY!!" (note that this rendition is not completely serious; it is done in satire, but my fear tactic point is valid IMHO)

The fact that you do not mind the idea of instilling global fear disturbs a me a little bit to be honest. Fear tactics have not traditionally done the world a whole lot of good...

I do watch the news. I admit that some claims are exaggerated, but it's not as if that's being hidden. It was pretty well publicized that scientists were saying many time frames, including Al Gores, were exaggerated. At least so far I've heard it on NPR, BBC, and somewhere on TV... can't quite remember where.

I wouldn't say that I advocate fear tactics. Using fear tactics would mean making people scared with lies. People ought to be worried about the truth of global warming. If they aren't worried, then they would do nothing to change anything.

[grEnAlEins]

and he and his wife's fat *** were the subject of A Love Story.

which of course was the epic search of a husband, to locate some fresh pineapple to go with the cottage cheese on his wife's backside.

Holy brutality Batman!

[Rooster]

The belief in global warming is no different than the belief in any other psuedo-religion. The planet is getting warmer. It does that from time to time. It also gets colder from time to time. This is easy enough to prove. What is very difficult to prove is if man is having an impact at all. If you want to live a green lifstyle, good for you. You are a nice little moral person. You return dropped wallets and you drive a hybrid car. Good for you. You aren't saving the planet, and these green businessmen are laughing all the way to the bank on your hard earned dollar.

Frankly, my v-8 eats gas like there is no tomorrow. If you pull up behind me, you might choke on the fumes. You know what, if you don't like it, plant a couple trees tomorrow.

[FactsOfLife]

[Jonneh]

Dude, you're a douchebag.

[grEnAlEins]

I do watch the news. I admit that some claims are exaggerated, but it's not as if that's being hidden. It was pretty well publicized that scientists were saying many time frames, including Al Gores, were exaggerated. At least so far I've heard it on NPR, BBC, and somewhere on TV... can't quite remember where.

I wouldn't say that I advocate fear tactics. Using fear tactics would mean making people scared with lies. People ought to be worried about the truth of global warming. If they aren't worried, then they would do nothing to change anything.

But a lot is being hidden. Take the UN report for example. The reason that several scientists have had their names removed is because the results in the final report were either omitted or otherwise altered.
The fact is that global warming is likely to be causing the rise in CO2 levels. As is well known, decomposing "crud" in the oceans are the #1 contributer of CO2 (by far). As is also well known, CO2 dissolves in cold water better than warm water. As the atmosphere warms, so does the ocean (it takes longer due to water's higher specific heat). As the water warms, it releases more CO2 that usual, as CO2 comes out of solution in warmer water (like when your can of pop goes flat quicker when the pop is at room temperature than when refrigerated). Also in the video I mentioned earlier, scientists show that the CO2 levels in the atmosphere following the rise in temperature (CO2 levels change lag behind that of temperature by 800 years. This is according to data shown in the video, by on of the ice core dudes. It is shown at around the 20 minute mark of the video that I keep mentioning.). If a change CO2 levels follows temperature change, then Co2 cannot be causing the change, as it is a product of said change. There was also some mention of the significance of Sun-spots. I did not fully comprehend this, as I am not an astronomy aficionado. I am, however, a chem-nerd, which is why I understood what was explained above. This was also presented in the video that I keep mentioning. The guy who is claiming that this theory is correct is a professor of oceanography at MIT. I bet that he has knowledge on the subject.

Seriously, watch the video, you might find it interesting. Although I will warn you, it takes forever and a day to download

As for fear your not advocating fear tactics:

To be honest, I wish it did inspire global fear... it would at least get people to clean up their act.

The above quote is where I got the silly notion that you support instilling global fear as a means to achieve a desired end

[grEnAlEins]

Did anyone watch Gore talk today?
"An immediate freeze on CO2 emissions"
"ban on incandescent light bulbs"

Is he joking?

[AirAssault]

you are silly.

Ok silly huh? How much time have you spent in Iraq? Did over a year there with the 86CSH. So until you know what you're talking about, maybe YOU should shut it. It makes you look like the silly one.

[iambored]

choke on it, you enviro-fascist anti American scumbags.

And you believe that America is pure democracy and without any corruption? There are reasons that we have done minimum research into alternative fuels, and there are reasons that lots of other things happen. But take this as a fact:
no democracy, uncorrupt, will not remain uncorrupt. It is human nature to use power and democracy hands people alot of power at one time. Democracies give a small group the power to will a nation do as they choose, and they don't have to force it. (<= One of the reasons people believe this global warming thing, if your good state politician gets a check from the Big Oil Company, he'll say that Global Warming is real and that company is making cleaner fuel)

[AirAssault]

yet another Bush hater heard from.

May I see your PhD in geology or any of the other sciences? Oh you don't have one. Oh well then by all means continue to challenge accepted scientific evidence. I'm sure you know better than those silly guys in the labcoats that do it for a living. Your reading the New York Times makes you much more qualified than those sillies.



Yes, because no other politicians are corrupt. Especially not Al Gore...

Your wisdom amazes me good sir. Where can I purchase some?

It's called an opinion. Never said it was fact. So until you learn how to read, I guess there is no hope for you.

[AirAssault]

Nice debating skills... from more than one person

The concept of this discussion is that Al Gore is a hypocrite. He preaches about conservation while practicing conspicuous consumption. The idiocy of his very vocal stance, when mirrored to his own actions, make the accuracy of his stances irrelevant. He preaches about global warming, and that it exists, and admonishes society as a whole for not taking steps to conserve or seek alternate means of consumption, while at the same time doing exactly that which he admonishes the rest of us for.

At least he is doing something. He is trying to do his part. He does not admonish any person. He simply is trying to let people know there is another way. He runs several different things from his home, not just a place to live. So if he had his house he lived in and a few office buildings to work out of would that make a difference for you? The man has been fighting for the environment pretty much from his teens until now. He is not a Johnny come lately, he has been living it.

[Lohman446]

At least he is doing something. He is trying to do his part. He does not admonish any person. He simply is trying to let people know there is another way. He runs several different things from his home, not just a place to live. So if he had his house he lived in and a few office buildings to work out of would that make a difference for you? The man has been fighting for the environment pretty much from his teens until now. He is not a Johnny come lately, he has been living it.

What does he run that accounts for the massive use of electricity? He has not been living it - his lifestyle says that.

[SlartyBartFast]

The idiocy of his very vocal stance, when mirrored to his own actions, make the accuracy of his stances irrelevant.

Just because a conservative right-wing politician that campaigns on Family values and staying faithful to your wife gets caught sleeping around does not disprove the virtue of monogamy and committed family life.

It only proves that that politician is a scum-bag.

Just as all the lying, cheating, choir boy molesting priests neither prove nor disprove anything about the sanctity of faith.

I expected better of you Lohman.

Unsurprisingly, none of the right-wing red neck contingent that is so vocal here on AO seems willing to comment on the links I provided.

While Bono and Al Gore campaign for worthy causes, I do find their pompous demands on the rest of us "normals" more than a little irritating. As rich people being paid outrageous amounts of money and living far beyond the means of the rest of us, they are more guilty than the rest of us when it comes to hogging the worlds resources.

However, personal disdain against them and their own wasteful ways aside, their measure of guilt or hypocrisy in no way allows us to neglect our responsibilities.

[Lohman446]

Just because a conservative right-wing politician that campaigns on Family values and staying faithful to your wife gets caught sleeping around does not disprove the virtue of monogamy and committed family life.

It only proves that that politician is a scum-bag.
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Actually I'll agree with you 100% and admit to poor wording. His stance is not a poor stance, its just him making it so vocal, considering his lifestyle, is a problem. The scum-bag comment goes both ways

[AirAssault]

Actually I'll agree with you 100% and admit to poor wording. His stance is not a poor stance, its just him making it so vocal, considering his lifestyle, is a problem. The scum-bag comment goes both ways

Hey man I'll agree with that, they are all crooks.