Top 3 "thing" that are detrimental to paintball.

[Carbon]

Top 3 "things" that are detrimental to paintball and its proliferation. So gimme three or more in your opinion. Im pretty sure this has been done before but what the L.

1) Vandalism/assaults with paintball paraphenelia. Assault on and off the field too.

2) Jerk, elitist, chicken-hawking players, the kind that ruins it for the 1st time rentals.

3) The general militaristic perception of paintball. Alot of us which was drawn to paintball to begin with.

Word!

[adam shannon]

you forgot pb will never make it to tv until cheating stops and on field fights with refs are controlled.

[Carbon]

you forgot pb will never make it to tv until cheating stops and on field fights with refs are controlled.

I guess so, but look at baseball and hockey and any other kinda sport. I guess that human error factor is one factor that make sports what it is.

[hobbesTZ]

Or how about people throwing out 20+ BPS when they didn't really pull the trigger half that many times during the second...That's a pretty big detractant.

[MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata]

About the cheating can someone tell me a sport were there isn't cheating, even in sports where they have fouls. You could consider it cheating if you foul someone and the ref doesnt call it, and thats just the same as wiping.

[yeahthatsme]

Originally posted by MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata
About the cheating can someone tell me a sport were there isn't cheating, even in sports where they have fouls. You could consider it cheating if you foul someone and the ref doesnt call it, and thats just the same as wiping.

while that is true, paintball has RAMPANT cheating, it is a known fact that more or less all of the pro teams cheat and probably most of the ameteure teams too. the cheating in paintball goes above and beyond that of most sports, so it cant be compared to them.

[kosmo]

#3 Stupid people doing stupid things. I.E. lighting up rec players at 20 bps. Firing paintballs from cars while driving down the street. Paying 1500 dollars for an Intimidator. Parents who say its too militaristic. The world is full of stupid people and the only thing that will solve that is widespread nuclear war.

#2 Lack of facilities to play real paintball at. Backyard ball is fun, but not exactly a sport. Some people have to drive many hours just to play paintball. How are people supposed to get started at a young age if they have to ask their parents drive them 2 or 3 hours away to go play?

#1. COST I dont see how you can argue with this. It is absolutely impossible. How many people do you all know that either cant or dont play because its expensive? That vandalism stuff has almost no bearing on pb when considered against cost. Almost all paintball related problems extend from this. Not having enough fields. New people not taking up the sport after their first time playing. Not being on TV because its not profitable enough to the companies that would show it... Etc Etc Etc

[Kevmaster]

Originally posted by MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata
About the cheating can someone tell me a sport were there isn't cheating, even in sports where they have fouls.

Tennis, Golf, Running


but, IMHO,

3) bastards with guns vandalizing and injuring *POOF*

2) pb not being profitable for anyone but major manufs and distibutors

1) we classify ourselves as 'extremeists' and care about trying to get it on TV and try to get it it into the major public eye

[Carbon]

Cost is a good one to put up there, true painball has got cheaper, over the years, it is somewhat a burden for many players. I guess you have to look at age demographic though, to the 13 to 18yr old bracket paintball is expensive, accounting FPO type fields. Which brings another point, lack, of well organized fields.

[logamus]

Originally posted by yeahthatsme



while that is true, paintball has RAMPANT cheating, it is a known fact that more or less all of the pro teams cheat and probably most of the ameteure teams too. the cheating in paintball goes above and beyond that of most sports, so it cant be compared to them.

this would be fixed with proper reffing.

is wiping/playing with a hit really as rampant as people claim or is it just percieved to be as rampant? its been a while since i have been to a tourny, but the last time i went there seemed to be pleanty of refs and i dont know of anyone that wiped a hit or played on after an obvious hit. people tend to be less inclined to break a rule if someone is watching them, if "it is a known fact that more or less all of the pro teams cheat" then i suggest the fix to that is more refs, espically since you cant mandate morals.

[GT]

I think it all comes down to proffestional field and staff.

a few things I see that I dont like:

1. Dont show up to work in your worst close. Wear a nice ref jersey and mask. nice shorts and shoes.

2. do not allow cussing at your feild

3. if you cant fill me to 3 or 4.5k dont charge me for air.

4. your rental equipment should look and preform fairly well

5. real reff training. I was at twisted last weekend and both the reffs stood right next to each other durring a game of 32 on 32.

Just a few things i notice. I really dont think cheating is as big as you guys do. I dont think I have ever seen it on the rec side

[tony3]

I don't see it that often in rec ball, but once I play team practices with the better tourney guys, if you dont wipe you practically can't win

[kosmo]

Originally posted by gtrsi


2. do not allow cussing at your feild

As a sworn member of the U.S. Army, a firm believer in the constitution and the right to freedom of speech contained within, and someone who gets really pissed off sometimes, this is all I have to say about your idea: Screw that.


Edit I think Ill erase the profanity before someone else does.... but my passionate anger for this arguement still stands, and though profanity may be the most efficient and effective verbal way of expressing that, Ill delete it this time.

[adam shannon]

swearing...were not talking about a freedom of speech issue. were talking about 13 yo kids that cant play a game without cursing people off the field. "get the poof out", "your poofing hit", "Poofing check him". that is a detrement to the sport ever being taken seriously. parents will be reluctant to let their kids go beyond the first day playing once they see that, and what media outlet would jump at putting that on tv.

cheating...when cheating is an integral part of the sport and its tactics at the tourney level what does that say about the ethics of the sport. the promotors dont care they get paid reguardless of wether its a clean game or not. when teams practice the cheat, and indocrinate new players on the best ways to do it there is a definate problem with the culture of the sport. this is one reason PB will not be taken seriously...other sports have fouls and penalties for stuff thats not allowed. like holding in football. most other spsorts penalties result from bone head adrenalin moves or sloppy play. in PB wiping is a calculated planned cheat. a player gets hit, he looks around to see whos watching, and when the oprotunity is right and he thinks nobody is watching he brushes it off on a bunker or does a superman slide. not like football where holding is usually a last ditch effort when your being beat physically and your the only one between a 300 lb lineman and your QB...still a stupid move but more despiration and rash thinking...not carefully and conciously planned.

at the nppl nj s7 i was in the vip box watching a game. a player on atomix red had his leg hanging out of his bunker. a player on the oposite tape a good 50 feet away walked a string onto his ankle. the whole crowd...200 plus and the vip box saw it hit and break on his ankle. the ref by the shooter even saw it. the atomix cheater pulled his leg back in tight and a second later it came back out clean before a ref could check him.....the ref calls him clean. everybody in the stands goes nuts screaming that he was hit. all the vip's...promotors, nppl staff, ppp, sponsors, etc in the vip box dont even get upset about what they saw. one guy even says "that was a slick move". what does that say about tourney pb and its chances of being taken seriously.

atomix red went on to win that game and knock out the team they cheated because that player that cheated made it to the snake. atomix red came in first in the prelims in their division...i wonder why. by the second day after people told the refs to watch them and the reffing in general tightened up atomix red got creamed in the semis and didnt even make the finals. cheaters got what they deserved in the long run after shafting the teams they played already...thats wholesale theft.

ask yourself..would you watch a cheatfest on TV, would you pay good money to sit in the stands if pb went big time like football, if you knew your hometeam would either cheat or be cheated. pb isnt rampant with cheating, paintball has become a culture of cheating at the national tourney level. look at the salm thing and the fracas at the mardi gras. if pb was on national tv at thae time that would have been the death of pb, if the whole world could see how it really is at the pro level right in their living rooms.

[Crighton]

I'm just curious but why hasn't anyone developed paint that shows up under UV? Player wipes it. Ref comes over and does his paint check with a portable UV light. Even if he wiped it really well the residue would show under UV.

Cops use them all the time.