I talked my "COCKER" buddy into buying a SFL. He's not happy!

[luke]

My partner has used a cocker from the first day he played paintball, he's played for around 5 years. I've been teasing him all along about the problems he had with it, (cocker) and finally talked him into buying a Mag. He received his brand spanking new SFL on Friday, we played Saturday. Sad to say the SFL SHREDDED all day long! We tried all the obvious, 2 kinds of paint, ( both less than 2 weeks old ) a Revy and my new HALO, ( which BTW rocked on my vert feed Micro :) ) both had new batteries, tried 3 different barrels, adjusted fire rate, shot manual and electro. etc., etc., etc.,. The paint oozed and flowed out the end of the barrel all day long, it broke paint when firing single shots or long strings. Our first impression was that the paint was breaking in the barrel, but further investigation revealed most of it was in the breach. We didn't notice it at first because the color of the paint was camouflaged by the black bolt. Needless to say he wasn't a happy camper, the mumbling under his breath was "I knew I should have bought a new cocker". By the end of the day, all I could do was try to reassure him it could be fixed, but first impressions are hard to shake. I think we both went home with our tails between our legs.

Although any ideas would be helpful, this post was not intended for tech info. I'm trying to get him to join the forum, to get tech help himself. Also, don't take this thread as a slam on the SFL, it's anything but that.

[Load SM5]

What kind of paint were you shooting?
Was it really cold?
Did you try backing out the ball detent a bit?

[luke]

The weather was a little cool, ( two T-shirts kinda cool ) we live in Az. so cold is relative. We didn't do much more than what I stated as far adjustments go, what we did try pretty much took the whole day. Although I did check the detent to make sure it wasn't double feeding. I know he tried Marbs, but I'm not sure what the other paint was. I shot Marbs all day in my Micro with two breaks. This paint is almost a year old. Also, no one else complained of paint problems, so I'm inclined to think it wasn't the paint, but not certain.

[cphilip]

Well... lets get him on here and fix this thing. Need all the specifics.

Did you try test fitting a multitude of balls down the barrel? What was the consistency fo this barrel to the ball fit? Does anyone else have another barrel to swap out and try on this SFL? Did you drop test any of this paint? Or can you still do that?

It's got a superbolt in right? All in good shape no burrs? Feel em and see. Foamie is on?

Can you take the valve out and look down the breach and see if there is any missalignment of the barrel to the body or anything?

Feed tube type? Feel for any burrs there too?


After we can check all of this we will analize it all and....ask Black, Tom or Rob! They can fix it.

[luke]

I'm trying to get him to join AO, I actually have since I joined. I did check the tech forum and it looks like he didn't post yet. I don't think he knows how beneficial it can be. I'll most likely talk to him tonight about getting his butt on line here to get this figured out. As far as paint to barrel match, we went from a snug fit to rolling threw the barrel with no resistance. The rest of what you suggested will come, but like I said we never got that far.

[luke]

Foamie?

That was also a thought while at the field. I questioned him if he received any foamies with the gun, he said no. I was pretty sure that it was necessary with the superbolt.

[Load SM5]

When I mentioned the detent, I meant, was it in too far. Mine was when I first got it and I backed it out a bit. It helped with ball breakage a bit.

You definately need a foamie of some kind. I made one out of foam rubber used some 2 part epoxy to hold it on. It works great. Call AGD and get them to send you guys some.

[cphilip]

Correct me if I am wrong (know you will!) but doesn't the SFL not use a detante? Well at least not the same as the EMag one? How is the ball held in there anyway? I am not up on the SFL's myself at all. Hope to be some day!

[Kaiser Bob]

If I remember correctly, the SFL uses a ball detent positioned in the removable breech.

[cphilip]

Ahhh...well then...check that too!

No seriously we need to get more info here. We gotta keep aftger these SFL's till all the bugs are worked out cause I want one...THEN.

[luke]

LoadSM5,

"When I mentioned the detent, I meant, was it in too far. Mine was when I first got it and I backed it out a bit. It helped with ball breakage a bit. "
I'm with you bro, we just haven't got very far into this.

Keep the info coming though. I just e-mailed the link to this thread to him. He won't see it until this evening.

Me, I gotta get back to work. I'll check in later.

Thanks..............

[luke]

PS

Just wanted to remind everyone that he's currently not a member, and isn't aware of much of what goes on around here, tests and current problems surrounding the superbolts etc. So we need to be very specific when helping him out, remember he's only been a Mag owner for 4 days, as of today.

Thanks in advance......

luke

[Hysperion]

well i think i know his problem....the sfl breaks alot of paint when it's cold! it's obvious everyone is having this problem....i broke like crazy outdoors yesterday and when I play indoors I never have a problem.......good thing I play mostly indoors and have a dark ir3 on the way for out.....

*was just looking at the other bag left from the case I used yesterday and it has 1-2 dimples per ball with soft spots, it was breaking down the barrel and only about 15 deg. out so that explains that*

[Thordic]

My teammate, spacemanspiff, had a LOT of problems with his SFL breaking paint when he got it. The problem was the superbolt. He juryrigged a foamie onto it, and it helped quite a bit.

Check the bolt.

[soilent green]

my bet is the detent or the super bolt if its the old one then it could be to long or the newer ones have the fomies make sure it has one on their I know the sfl bolt is a little different but is your micro bolt will work try it