RT pro = Ram Air Trans Am / 2001 vert feed autococker = Honda Civic

[t2m6c1]

This analogy is how I describe the mag vs cocker debate. You have to dump a ton of money into a cocker(Honda Civic)to get it to perform anywhere near the level of a stock Rt PRO (Trans Am).

[Cha0tic]

i think your analogy needs a little fixing.

a stock cocker cocsts somewhere in the 300's. a stock rt pro costs somwhere around 600, right? you just cannot compare the 2. now take an rt pro and compare it to an black magic or STO and it will be a little different.

[lonelymag]

well the vert feed are going for about 500, but thats just the feeding and its like 100+ more.

[Major Ho]

Hey Hey now... I resent having a cocker being compared to a civic. I hate civics but love my cocker. I love my retro too but its not fair going around calling ppls guns Rice Burners

[t2m6c1]

You need to check your prices again. You can get a rt pro for $585.00, vert feed autococker $460.00, black magic run $820.00 and sto around $780.00.

The point I was making is that you have to pour a bunch of money into a stock cocker to make it perform anywhere near that of a stock pro. Autocoker owners say they like there gun because they can personalize it. Say they can buy this and that to make their gun outperform all others. Just like all these hooped up imports running around.

All cocker owners are doing is making a overpriced suped up (Civics) that cant perform above a stock RT Pro(Trans Am).

[Deadpool3]

i couldn't agree more :)

[DRAGONSLAYER]

I think your analogy is right on. Remember, a $50,000 Civic is still a Civic.

[Major Ho]

Originally posted by t2m6c1
All cocker owners are doing is making a overpriced suped up (Civics) that cant perform above a stock RT Pro(Trans Am).

Whoa whoa whoa there buddy...Lets not count our horses before they...Dang i forgot the saying...
I seriously beg to differ on a decked out cocker or a stock RT. Also it comes down to personal preference...Some people like to tinker and upgrade/personalize this and that. Another thing is that teh mag cocker debate is nearly non existant or possibly even dead now a days. MANY MAG owners own COCKERS or vice versa. So Please, end this annoying debate before it turns into a huge flame.

Add on: You know what would end this debate? To find out if Mr. Kaye has a cocker! I wonder...

[Fritzy]

Mr. Kaye

I seem to remember Tom stating he owns several Cockers. When either he or Budd are asked which gun is better they usually respond "buy both", which is what I have done several times.

I always seem to stick with my Mags, though. Right now my Emag is far and away my main gun. Prior to that it was my RT, aside from a short stint with an Angel. I feel the Emag is the perfect match of incredible performance and supernatural durability (laying it on a bit thick, huh).

Anyway, I haven't had a Cocker for almost 2 years, but just picked up a 2001 vert a week ago. They seem to have really improved on the stock gun. Right now I am just going to replace the 3-way (stock one is a bit too leaky, nothing a Quickswitch can't cure)and of course the barrel. Cycles really well, though. I must say, there is just something really cool about a well timed Cocker. I am excited to play with one again.

Of course, in a money game give me my Emag every time!

[Tubby_Ninja]

You can't compare a Cocker to a Civic! A Civic always works!:)

[mac2k4]

a stock cocker is as good as a stock RT pro.
if cockers all so bad why r they the 2nd most shot guns on the circuit?
Even for the people who can't afford to much still could set up a cocker in under 200
think about it...

[t2m6c1]

I dont understand why anyone buys a stock cocker. After all the upgrades the only thing stock left on the gun is the body(if you dont get it milled or anodized) and the cocking rod.

Why not build a gun from scratch and save $350 to $500? Everone and thier brother sells cocker upgrades are the stock guns that bad?

[Mag89]

Hey, hey now people just calm down. I like both cockers and mags. And I don't understand why mag owner's hate cockers sooooooooooooo much it just dosen't make any sense. Have any of you that hate cockers even shot one before??????? If you haven't shot a cocker then you have almost no reason to hate cockers.

[Zumina]

$585 for RT Pro power feed, $338 2K1 Cocker vertical feed, $619 2K1 STO, and $700 Black Magic.

[Twiek]

Those prices sound more like it...

I have owned both. I like my new cocker a lot, though. Mabey if I had the money to fling around more paint, I'd go back to a mag or angel, but when I can play all day using 1/2 the paint and 1/4 the air.....