RT pro = Ram Air Trans Am / 2001 vert feed autococker = Honda Civic

[rt_81]

im sorry but thread titles such as this one are just plain ignorant. anone who has played the game for more than a few months and has done a minor amount of talking to people who know about guns/reading the ao forums knows that the autococker is truly a quality gun. my first tournament level gun was a mag clasic. then i threw down 1000 bucks on a cocker and air system and i havent regreted it for a second. i love the gun and to be quite honest im not going back to a mag. while i do love the simplicity, quietness, and easy matinence of the automag i havre found the pros of the cocker outweigh them for me.

i did have the chance to shoot an emag a few weeks ago and was very impressed. one of the problems i have with the cocker is the rate of fire, im not fast with it at all. but i could sure rip off the rounds with the emag. so ill wait till the new emags come out this winter and go from there.

so, do your homework mr. t2m6c1, and you will find that there are great pros and cons for each marker.

RT

[Mag89]

Originally posted by DRAGONSLAYER
I think your analogy is right on. Remember, a $50,000 Civic is still a Civic.

Yeah you are correct that a $50,000 civic is still a civic but it is a better civic though.

[Magoo]

You should tell the people at my field that the cocker/mag debate is over. They never stop buggin me about having a mag. They say all the stuff about cockers shoot further, more accurate,ect., ect. They say mags chop paint but I only chop paint when I'm not really paying attention and short-stroke. I've had a cocker and shot quite a few. My friends all have cockers (almost) one has a Dark which is nice, but I like mags better. I think most tourney players like cockers more then mags because either
A.) They've never shot a mag
B.) They buy into all the hype about cockers
C.) Just like to tinker/upgrade alot

If I ever get enough money I'll finish upgrading my mag and then probably buy a cocker. Well, acually buy a Blazer first(had one also. I havent decided if the blazer is better then the mag) because I like them more. Then a cocker.

[C�borg]

Trans Am, you could have said something better than that. I personally don't like civics, but I have seen some really nice ones (who hasn't on west coast?) that can keep up with just about any car out there.

OK I like cockers, I like mags, they both have there upsides and down sides, when compairing the two I have to say they are on equal ground (except for e-mag it's in it's own class) Let's look at it this way, they are the only high end guns out there that aren't electro, you can short stroke both, and they both work better on Compressed Air. I think people should completly end the Mag/Cocker debate and turn it into a manual vs electro debate, personally I prefer a manual trigger. Mag and cockers users should unite!

[OldSchoolMag]

Yeah, I'd have to say that the cocker/automag debate will end up with most if not almost all using BOTH. Also, I think I've said this about a million times, or at least once, but I'll say it again - there are THREE main types of play - Scenario, Tourny, and Rec ball.

Scenario users get down and dirty - water proofing is as usefull as a hopper. Tinkering is for the airsmith - BEFORE the game. When I play scenarios, I pick up a 'mag - as do most of my friends (cocker owners included) just because they know they can put it down for a year and pick it back up, run a hundred balls through it and it'll shoot like it had been shot and tuned every weekend. It's the less hassle kinda 'gun.

Tourny players want every millimeter they can get over the opposing team. That means tinkering. LOTS OF TINKERING. I've seen people spend weeks preparing their 'guns to perfection. It's an art, a religion, a perfection. Autocockers are the fine choice for most tournys - completely customizable, if you can handle these guns and get used to the cons it comes with (just like the 'mag has cons...) it can be one good piece of machinery. Most tourny players (and the main people that have PICTURES which is why you hear "Well, everyone I see uses a 'cocker!") use these, but not all. It's all opinion and time-schedule oriented.

Rec players use anything. 'Mag, 'Cockers, everything. No way to classify these guys.

Also, the best analogy I can think of for this situation is RT Pro = RT Pro/ Autococker = Autococker. Play with what you like. My motto - If it shoots, use it. Skill determines who wins in the end. Skill in tuning your gun, getting behind bunkers, aim, etc. Any long term player can tell you that. To tell you all the truth, this debate is no longer interesting for me. I remember down at the field when we'd spend HOURS arguing. In the end, I think we made a deal - we bought the other 'guns. And to this day, we own BOTH. If you haven't OWNED either one - I mean tuned, shot, sung songs to it - don't slam it. Try it.

I know it says in my signature that I'm an "AGD user for life" (or it should, I think) and it's true - I'll always own and AGD product - but that doesn't mean I'm not a WGP user too...

[0100010]

I disagree with that analogy, somewhat. Because I own an RT with ZGrip, N2 and Warp Feed, but I also own a 2K1 Civic. Love the mboth, and it's hard to decide which one to spend money on.

[DRAGONSLAYER]

Mag89, true,true.

[DryIce]

trans ams smell
where do you get off even bringing them into the equation

[DarkRipper]

Sorry, I can't help but laugh at the people that compare RTs to cockers.

There are negatives and positives to both. I won't ever own an RT, for instance.... I don't like the trigger. I can't stop chopping paint at high ROFs.

Conversely, I won't own a stock cocker. It's stock, for one thing.

You are comparing apples to oranges, and the comparison falls on its face.

Thanks for playing!

DR

[MyCockerIs4U2NV]

Dr. Why must you stray over here from the great PBC? That is a no no! LoL..

I think that going with the price of a stock vert feed cocker is now 339, and Rt Pro's are now around 500, that you could make a cocker equal if not better (in my opinion) than a stock Rt Pro. I dont like the feel of the Rt's trigger anyways.

[Ninja B0Y]

prelude

I got my STO for $650 out the door and even if it was the stock cocker, it doesn't need anything to perform as the same as the RT. It's got a reg, the front pneus work fine, and it shoots fast.

[Arturus]

Originally posted by mac2k4
a stock cocker is as good as a stock RT pro.
if cockers all so bad why r they the 2nd most shot guns on the circuit?
Even for the people who can't afford to much still could set up a cocker in under 200
think about it...

Uh... Stock cocker is as good as a stock RT Pro?

Umm.. No.

Oh and I like both type of markers. Just the preference for a Mag has a little edge over the two. But a stock of the cocker being good as the stock of an RT Pro.. Nope.

[MyCockerIs4U2NV]

Uh.... Yep...

[Arturus]

Originally posted by MyCockerIs4U2NV
Uh.... Yep...

Hey now, don't be a copy cat. Curt and unintelligent responses like that are my trademark.

*grins* And umm.. No, they're not.

lol - STO's and Black Magic's might be a different story, but plain old 'stock' cockers by many users and reviewers of markers, in general take it for a given that it's not as good a 'stock' Mag.

Sure it's a 'decent' marker as a stock, but it's generally accepted that once you buy a stock cocker, you upgrade or add certain aftermarket parts to it.

Oh and I'm not one to get into cocker vs mag debates, but by your name I can already take a hint and say that even if we did debate this, you have a slight bias towards cockers; more so than I would towards a mag. So I give up.

To me it's all about preference which marker to use in the end, but let's not spread false info out there.

Stock cocker comparable to a Stock RT? Sure in preference, but in terms of sheer performance... Uh... No.

[MyCockerIs4U2NV]

Have you looked at the new cockers? Sure back in 97-98, when you got a stock cocker, the 3 way sucked, the internals were crappy, along with everything else. But now everything on a stock cocker is pretty much great. Honestly, all a STO is is a stock vert feed cocker milled, and annoed. Then they chrome plate the front pnue's (brass -*shudders*) and slap an ergo reg and a aftermarket frame on there. And it gets a J&J barrel, if you count that. That is it.. So if you mean it looks better then a stock cocker. Then yes. But if you mean it preforms better, then no....