BPS and ROF, who do you think you're fooling?

[cledford]

Just curious (and anxious to stir some things up...), how many people can do over 10BPS with their marker regardless of type? How about 12-14, or even 19BPS?

Oh really? Or maybe I should say, Oh really?!?!?!?

I think just about every claim I see of greater then 10BPS is false, in fact I might even go as far as to say that any above 13 are an outright lie.

How exactly do you guys verify these claims? Is it just a gut feeling, or are you using some sort of device to actually prove you assertions?

Here is a link to a device that records shot strings, can tell you the number of shots per second, and even the split times.

http://www.pact.com/time.html

I suggest that someone sponsor a contest where owners are timed using a PACT timer to record true BPS rate. I know most of you will be disappointed with the results.


Sorry if this is a confrontational, but I'm starting to get irritated with claims such as:

well I've seen a lcd angel shoot 22pbs.
and i've had mine to 19

the guy shooting 22 shot his using the sexy angel program in full auto

but i've shot mine in semi to 19, just got lucky w/ a nice stream...

located in the http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...threadid=18848 thread.

The simple fact is that some of these guns may mechanically be able to CYCLE at these ROFs, some like the Emag with Warp or HALO might be able to be mechanically FIRED at the ROF, but it is highly unlikely that anyone can actually pull it off themselves.
-Calvin

[headcase]

I agree with you completely, it is to the point I don't even pay attention to anyone who says something about BPS. It just doesn't matter, it isn't likely to be true anyway. The only people I care about are the people I play with, and numbers don't matter then either, I just know if they can shoot fast or not.

BTW - there has been events like you mention at major tournies, I think the winner pulled of a string of 12 or 13 or something CPS, cycles per second, not BPS.

Later
SSDD

[kenshinkandon]

the way I look at it is if a person can fire a ball 300 ft then their is one ball now someone stand at the 300ft mark and the person with the marker begins to shoot as much as possible when the first ball hits the mark then the person shooting stops and all the other ball are accounted into the equeation and you have how balls many you can shoot a second. I also agree its tiring of hearing all about bps bps, just take out the p and all you get is BS.

[Russ]

bps bps, just take out the p and all you get is BS.

LOL, that's a good one!

I have one of those PACT club timers. It won't read anything faster than .1 (1/10th) of a second.

Angels have some sort of built-in ROF counter. I'm not sure how it works, though.

BPS is all hype. Gives the PBer's something to brag about.

[manike]

Originally posted by Russ
Angels have some sort of built-in ROF counter. I'm not sure how it works, though.

You can't take the ROF counter on an Angel as gospel. It has been known to round up... and more than you would expect sometimes. :)

manike

[RobAGD]

Layy Casio did this at World Cup a while back. Chris Lasoya pull something like 13.5 sps on his angel.

Most people cant break 10 sps let alone 13. Now there are some freaks of nature that can rattle off shots in the 13 range but they are far an few between.

I have a Pact Mark 4 Pro Chrono, I have pulled 10 SPS on my Callis mag 2 or 3 times while goofing off. I got 14 on my RT once ( and no it wasnt run away ).

I have test a ton of people. I have seen one cocker above 9 sps and I have yet to see an Angel above 12.


Just a word about those idiots that trust the LCD ROF counter. That crappy litlle doodad takes the FASTEST split time out a string. Its not a string it just 2 shots with a split time that will give you that highest rof. It's all in how you market it.


-Robert

[TheBigRaguPB4L]

my field had one of those crono's with the counter on it. i hit 10 bps with my elcd. i'm not just guessing, that's what the thing said. i have a retromag that i'm pretty sure i hit 8-10. but that's just guessing cause i'm only basing it on the sound from the 10 that i know i hit with my elcd. but you guys are right, people to have claims of 19bps are just morons. but so what, just ignore them. while they're emptying their hopper on someone they can't hit anyways, let's just show them that you don't need to shoot 13 balls in a second to get someone out.

[Janixs]

[crash890]

I know of only one person that can rattle of at about 14 BPS... He scares me sometimes, yes I have almost gotten nailed by then, he tested it with a Mic, and recorded the sound (Comp). Broke a one Second chunk off and counted the shots (spikes), frightening enough, he is pretty consistant like that too...

The second I know, can only do 12 if he "feathers" the trigger. and he has gotten pretty good at that too, from whatever postion.

These two people pride themselves on their ability, and have gotten complimented on it. They both shoot Matrices, with insanely shorted trigger pulls, although the faster one just switched to a cocker, so his speed is out the window now.

BUT these are the only people I know who can rattle shots off like that...

Personally I can only do about 10. and I think that is fast enough for me.

[Cliffio]

i also agree
however, i can get 11 anyday of the week on my lcd, and a few days ago when i was playin around i got 12, i have witnesses also:)
i could even take a pic sometime, but anyways
yeah like on PBC, people are talkin like 19 and stuff, i mean its rediculous

now what u should have done is started a thread asking how fast everone shot, then u could see all the morons that thought they would impress everyone saying something like 37:)

later
Cliff

[Gecko]

hehe on hybrid my emag will drop hopper long strings at 16bps.......
I'm guessing the 16 bps since if i set the rof any lower the string is much harder to do. Whatever the rof it's damn fast
I find the only time a high rof is really useful is on the break trying to tag people running into their bunkers
Gecko

[Nitroduck]

I have clocked myself in at 14bps with my Angel LED when I'm using the fastest settings on a LED.

To get a accurate BPS, what I do is use a audio recorder on the computer, shoot...Check the peaks , take the fastest 1 second of firing, and count the peaks in the sound and calculate how many are in 1 second...

Its not that hard to get 14bps when you know the trigger tricks such as walking or fanning...

Don't believe me? I can send you the audio file.

As for the 19+ Bps, the LCD screen takes the 2 fastest shots (on a angel, that'd be every 50 milliseconds) and then multiplies them..So if you were lucky and got ONLY 2 shots off in a second, and they were 50ms apart, the screen would say 20bps...I do it all the time on my LED, but due to human hands, its almost impossible to hit the trigger every 50ms...The best I can do is keep a good rythmn at about 80ms.

Also, btw, just because I have fast trigger fingers doesnt mean I have to use 14bps all the time..However, its GREAT for hitting runners, snap shooters and then sweetspotting off the break...And if you think higher (8+bps) isnt needed, let me tell you what happened at my last tourney....

We had 2 paints, Team Colors and Proball. It litterally took 20 shots to get a break on most parts of the body.
When we were playing the best team there at the tournament (Crow Dogs, who all use AdrenS Angels, or Darks, or such) who could beat us any time of the day with thier ROF because it only took them 1 and 1/2 seconds to put out 20 balls, and one of which always broke...The only reason we lost was because we were using guns with a lower ROF (Mags, Cockers, and a bm2k guy who didnt learn his trigger as fast as he could)....I took 20 shots at one of thier guys w/ my mag, hit him about 15 times, no breaks, then by the time he wised up, it took him and his buddies about 1/2 a second to finally get a break on me...That made me get a Angel and to this day, I've never had a problem taking out a person quickly.

[manike]

Originally posted by Nitroduck
I can send you the audio file.

Yes please, post it up.

manike

[Cliffio]

yeah some guy was talkin about how he got 19 on some led, THEN he was informed that leds were capped at 15 bps

hmmm OWNED:)

Cliff

[Nitroduck]

I'll put it up very soon....Let me gas my LED up.

By the way, you have been mis informed about LED Angels. Under STOCK settings with the STOCK chips and 15-16 dwell time produces a MROF of 15bps. However, change the dwell down to 12-13 you get 20bps. You need to learn a lil more before you say someones been "owned"

Lets pray I got some gas left in my N2 station.