BPS and ROF, who do you think you're fooling?

[TheBigRaguPB4L]

bro, you shot the guy 15 times? come on. not to be a jerk, but the first time someone gets hit, it doesn't take them that long to react and duck behind a bunker. unless he was just standing in the middle of nowhere, i find it really hard to believe you shot him 15 times. and if he was stupid enough to be outside a bunker to get shot 15 times, then that guy is the worst speedball player in history. one more thing, it really wouldn't make any difference what gun is shooting the paint(angel or mag). if the paint is hard, it won't break. an angel won't make more breaks on someone just because it's an angel. AND..... in tournament play, you hsould only be hitting someone's gun or mask. that's the only part of someone's body that should be sticking out of a bunker. unless they're moving up or just off the break, there shouldn't be a reason to be aiming for someone's body. it just shouldn't happen. in which case, any hard ball should break on the mask or gun. if the paint is hard(proballs) and won't break on someone, get new paint. a new gun isn't going to make the difference. you'll just shoot more of it.

[i-luv-my-rt]

I have also done the audio trick and have clocked me emag at around 15 bps with warp. But then i noticed that my 12v revvy couldnt keep up, started to miss. If you can outshoot a 12v revvy your goin at a good clip. I should have a video file of myself soon.

I have seen very few fast angels in my day. I have seen bushies fly by angels. This is prolly just the person but still. I can outshoot the owners of angels on my team any day of the week.

Buti do agree on most

[krafty]

I shoot an amazingly fast 5 bps... I'm special! Maybe 8 if I bounce the trigger on my retro valve... but that's probably an over-estimation. I've seen that e-mag HALO video at 15bps, and I've never seen anyone ANYWHERE I've played that was capable of manually shooting that fast. Maybe with the Angel's mouse-click trigger it would be possible if you fanned the trigger *just right*. Oh well...

[Thordic]

I can pull 10 CPS on my Intelliframe with a stock valve, I sent BlackVCG the WAV file of my pulls for an independant count :) The last shot was kinda weak, though.

If I tried to do 10 BPS with paint in the gun, though, I'd most likely chop or something, I never have tried to go that fast in a game.

I guess in games I shoot around 5-6 normally, and 8 tops? Maybe 9... but the opportunities in most games to be able to sit there and fan the trigger aren't all that often.

I've seen people say they don't see how anyone could pull 6+. I think thats a little naive, but people shooting over 12-13 in semi mode seems a little iffy to me. Maybe 14 CPS on an RT.

[Nitroduck]

Ok , I gassed my angel up......my scuba was down to 250psi , even though it was down that bad i was still able to shoot a nice string.......

I'm seeing if i can attach the file (zipped) to the forum , if i can't i'll try to upload it to my server.....

I was able to do 14bps for a second....i could of done 16 or so , but the trigger springs are worn down pretty bad on my gun ( see how much 20k cycles wears down trigger springs )

[Tiny]

Who cares about bps? You only need 1 accurate shot to get someone out. I try to only shoot 3 shot burst and can do this in 1 sec with a stock mag so why worry about any more.

People are more worried about bps than consistency, reliability, manufacture warranty, accuracy. WHY?

[Ityl]

In the hyperframe, you can set it to burst at 10 bps. If that's right, I have hit over 10 bps with a benchy with a special blade trigger. I can't do it sitting around, but I can do it in a game. But this is if the hyperframe is right. And it was shooting with paint, I think with the warp, I don't remember.

A lot of people say they can shoot 5 million bps, but there are some that don't lie, so you don't need to flame everyone :).

[Cliffio]

Originally posted by TheBigRaguPB4L
bro, you shot the guy 15 times? come on. not to be a jerk, but the first time someone gets hit, it doesn't take them that long to react and duck behind a bunker. unless he was just standing in the middle of nowhere, i find it really hard to believe you shot him 15 times. and if he was stupid enough to be outside a bunker to get shot 15 times, then that guy is the worst speedball player in history. one more thing, it really wouldn't make any difference what gun is shooting the paint(angel or mag). if the paint is hard, it won't break. an angel won't make more breaks on someone just because it's an angel. AND..... in tournament play, you hsould only be hitting someone's gun or mask. that's the only part of someone's body that should be sticking out of a bunker. unless they're moving up or just off the break, there shouldn't be a reason to be aiming for someone's body. it just shouldn't happen. in which case, any hard ball should break on the mask or gun. if the paint is hard(proballs) and won't break on someone, get new paint. a new gun isn't going to make the difference. you'll just shoot more of it.

???????? wtf

[RaV3n_Pa1ntba||]

what do you mean wtf...it makes perfect sense...so directed to you WTF???

[joeyjoe367]

Originally posted by Tiny
People are more worried about bps than consistency, reliability, manufacture warranty, accuracy. WHY?

Wel, as far as consistency and accuracy go, Guns have reached their peak as far as acuracy and consistancy go. The RT Valve and the Max-Flow for example. I've known both of them to put out fps like 285,285,285,285,285,285, and so on. Mabe a +/- of like .5 fps. That's pretty damn good.

Accuracy's peaked out too. A lot of people now know that all you need is a good paint/barrel match, and mabe a muzzle break, and that's about as good as you can get.

Now why are people concerned with ROF? Ask Tom. The only REAL way to get accuracy in paintball is [b]VOLUME[b]. Period.

Now, I'm just waiting for a new kind of technology to come out. Mabe a differant kind of paintball, or some revolutionary barrel system.

[hitech]

what I do is use a audio recorder on the computer, shoot...Check the peaks

You are ASSUMING that the audio recorder is accurate down to better than 1/20 of a second. I doubt that VERY much.

[Cliffio]

Originally posted by RaV3n_Pa1ntba||
what do you mean wtf...it makes perfect sense...so directed to you WTF???

i musta missed somethin

cause who said anything about shootin someone 15 times?

[Chaos]

Actually, you REALLY need to do more research on your topics before you flame, because you sound REALLY dumb (no affense). First off, there are many EASY ways to find out your ROF. Lets remember, just because your gun says '20bps' it doesn't mean its actually doing it (for those electro users that have guns with that capability). As for angels, last I checked, unless you hack the software they're limited to 13bps. Which I know many who can rock their trigger on an Angel that fast, no lie.

As for telling how fast you shoot, its very simple. All windows based computers come with 'sound recorder', which digitally records any sounds through a mic (you can buy for about $2 at a store for a cheap one, thats all you need) that you hook into your sound card. Now, all you do, is record yourself shooting your fastest. Then blow up the wav data (the graph that has the spikes of sound), zoom in, cut to the fastest 1sec section you have, and count the spikes. Then, for people that dont believe you, send them that clip since its already digital, and they can analyze it themselves. How do you think I know I got my mag to do 18bps once (yes I had it setup with a custom AR frame, and it was choking, but none the less it was 18bps, I can do 14bps easy with no dropoff with my maxflow).

Another way to do it, is to get a videocamera, record your finger pulling the trigger, slow down the video tape, and take a 1sec clip and see how many times your finger moves. This is unreliable unless you're actually feeding paint if you have an electro set on AR mode, burst, or turbo.

There are other ways also, personally I find the easiest is the digital sound recording, which is VERY simple to do. AGD had an electronic 'finger' setup to a computer and some other fancy stuff to record the RT doing 26+bps. I've seen some chronographs that do similar functions, only if you're feeding paint through it tho.

As for the lies and such, most people lie, but trust me reaching over 10bps isn't as hard as it seems. On my centerflag cocker, i can max it out (11bps) just rocking the trigger. Personally the funnest thing I've done tho is play with a centerflag pirahna set on 3shot burst, after you got it started it sent to like 9bps, but doing 9bps at a steady string for a couple seconds is VERY fast to watch, and I find it very amuzing with a gun thats built like a tin can :)

[manike]

Cliffio here you go... Hint = read the whole thread

Originally posted by Nitroduck
It litterally took 20 shots to get a break on most parts of the body.

Originally posted by Nitroduck
I took 20 shots at one of thier guys w/ my mag, hit him about 15 times, no breaks, then by the time he wised up, it took him and his buddies about 1/2 a second to finally get a break on me...

[Nitroduck]

I guess you'd have to be at the field i played at to understand where i'm commin from.........BPS does have advantages becasue i've been in situations when a high ROF helps quite a bit.........

Another thing i think is funny is.......
Most of the people talk about angels as if they've owned one and yet they haven't. Stock angels have boards that are set at 13bps , to turn it upto 20 all you do is take the grip pannel off , then go to the ROF selection and turn it upto 20bps , confirm selection then put pannel back on. On a LED the ROF goes upto 16bps , then you can play with dwell and turn the gun's speed higher than 16.....